[tqi]

I see the argument, but I don't think driver control/supervision is actually the crux of the issue. If Firestone had a completely new tire technology that was mostly ok but had an elevated risk of spontaneously blowing out, I would not be happy if they were doing their beta testing in public roads regardless of who was driving.

The technology being tested seems half baked and not yet ready for testing on a public roads. At the very least, their approach to software updates does not seem like its being sufficiently tested before deployment. This video[1] linked in another thread is an example of what I mean.

[1] https://twitter.com/mostlyharmlessz/status/14694217625553510...

[mcot2]

Its not clear to me that a general purpose autonomous car can be developed in a vaccum as you mention. Tesla has all the resources in the world to test with their own drivers on closed loops and using simulations however they choose to go this route and open themselves up to significant liability. Given the pace of development of other autonomous cars I think this may be the only viable approach.

[wpietri]

What? How many people do you think we should sacrifice on the altar of technological progress? And why wouldn't they get a say in that?

[tqi]

Agree, but I think this boils down to a disagreement over at what point a FSD beta is ready for public testing.