[gelert]

Congratulations on realising that successful diseases reflect their environments and times in human history.

Were you alive during the Black Death I imagine you'd be talking about how, though you're no denier, it's the fault of people using ships to trade.

[chiefalchemist]

Even with that lens, Covid is not universally successsful. It's very much opportunistic. For example, leave the nursing homes - even after being well aware of the data from Italy - and plenty of innoscent ppl die. Blaming Covid for incompotence of leadership is silly. Or, we had a pandemic ~10 yrs ago, yet zero discussion of "Where's the mask stockpile?" and "Where's the PPE stockpile?"

Then, of course, there's how well Covid does against (often) preventable conditions.

We're on the same page. Context matters. Now let's human-up and table the details about Covid. Let's stop hiding behind fearmongering aggregated data, and abuse of the use of percentages and other intentionally manipulative tactics. Finally, let's not forget to ask why? Why the thumb on the scale approach?

[lnanek2]

Don't see how ships to trade is a red herring. First Google result for "Black Death rats ships":

> The Black Death was also carried by rats on merchant ships through the trade routes of Europe. It struck Europe in 1347, when 12 ships docked at the Sicilian port of Messina. Subsequently called “death ships”, those on board were either dead or sick

Parent is using an example of a case where we know trade by ships helped cause the plague to spread, so is similar to how obese people have worse covid outcomes. No one is really going to go on a platform and attack trade by ships, though, just like in modern times no one is allowed to discriminate against the obese.

[techbio]

Because "ships to trade" is the Black Death equivalent of something like "Wuhan flu".

Not even close to obesity. Maybe you are looking for "allowing home ovens to bake bread attracts rats."

[chiefalchemist]

The point is, the infection rates, etc. are not comparable. Taken in aggragate and on a long enough time line just about anything can look dangerous. Sans, evidently, preventable diseases. Then we sweep those aside, even before Covid.

Again, all that's being suggested is more transparency and honesty, and less hyperbole and statistical fueled manipulation. That is all.

[torstenvl]

> Congratulations

Please don't be snarky. It's rude and it also makes it more difficult for others to follow your train of thought. I'm not part of the original thread and I don't understand what argument you're making here.

[zBard]

Neither was I, but honestly, that wasn’t a hard argument to follow .

[torstenvl]

Okay. So what's the actual argument? All I can pull out of it is insults and sarcasm toward the GGGP, along with an assumption about what GGGP would do in a different scenario.

What is GGP's actual argument for why GGGP is wrong?

[techbio]

Since GP refers to ubiquitous systemic issues, not xenophobia, not technological ventures, "ships to trade" seems to be a red herring. Also worth noting: "congratulations" reads more than a bit disingenuously.