[tbabb]

Tesla autopilot use nowhere near competitive with a human driver, no matter what they claim.

I'm bullish on self-driving in general, but Tesla's misrepresentation of their self-driving capability has always been just shy of "fraud".

[fiddlerwoaroof]

This is true of surface streets: on freeways, even the older “Autopilot” is pretty good: I’ve driven on-ramp to off-ramp like 60 miles without a disengagement.

[rootusrootus]

I've driving a lot farther than 60 miles without disengaging. Many thousands of miles without ever once panic braking for a shadow.

Even average drivers die about once every 100 million miles. AP is so far from that it isn't fair to try and compare. And that's just average drivers, which includes drunks, tired people, 16 year olds, weather-related accidents, etc. Put AP or FSD up against a normal, sober driver in decent weather and there's probably five or six orders of magnitude difference in competency.

[y4mi]

and you think 60 miles without disenganging on a freeway means anything?

to quote wikipedias statistic from 2012:

  - the United States had 3.38 road fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km on its Interstate-type highways, often called freeways.[28]

congrats on your 60 miles i guess... only 295 857 928 more miles until your car performs as well as an average human from 2012.

[rootusrootus]

Pretty sure you meant to quote the comment I replied to, because it sounds like you agree with me.

[y4mi]

You're completely correct of course. Sorry for the confusion.

[Fatnino]

I've driven from an on ramp in Gilroy to an off ramp in Palo Alto without once touching either pedal.

Only it wasn't in a tesla, it was in a reasonably recent ICE toyota with adaptive cruise control and lane keeping.

So what was your point about FSD again?

[fiddlerwoaroof]

I only keep my hands on the steering wheel because I need to confirm attention. And the car changes lanes to pass, etc. without input from me.

[tbabb]

> 60 miles

To match a human, it needs to go half a million miles without an accident, and 100 million miles without a fatality.