[djsbs]

One minor quip

“ The crimes committed there were not different than the ones committed in Europe between Europeans.”

Just over 100 years ago Belgians were “harvesting” the right arms of Congolese for who knows what reason. The Spaniards were always much more benign than their Northern cousins.

[Darmody]

Well, I wasn't comparing it to what other countries did with their colonies. I was comparing it to what Europeans did to themselves.

Oh, by the way. Spain never had colonies. They had provinces and everyone in those provinces was just as citizen of the empire as someone from current Spain.

[bigwavedave]

> Oh, by the way, Spain never had colonies. They had provinces and everyone in those provinces was just as citizen of the empire as someone from current Spain.

Um. Okay. A colony is:

1. "an area over which a foreign nation or state extends or maintains control"

and

2. "a group of people who establish residence in that area and who retain ties with the parent state."[1]

So, to say that Spain had no colonies is patently false- it most certainly had pockets of emigrants from the homeland who were still culturally tied to it and under its rule (the Philippines, Louisiana, any number of Caribbean islands, colonial Mexico, and the list goes on and on during Siglo de Oro and beyond).

I don't have a horse in this race, but if you wanna act like a pedant, you're gonna be treated like one. Ridiculous.

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/colony

[pvaldes]

If you want to accuse other to be pedant, please, note first the 'foreign' word in your description.

Living in a province of the -same- nation that has granted you a fully citizenship is a different situation than living in a colony ruled by a -foreign- nation. As everybody knows, the later typically comes with none or a restricted set of rights. Ask a Puerto rican friend for more details.

[bigwavedave]

I'll respond to both of you here, since I cba to refute the same thing twice.

Let me ask you this: was the colony of Jamestown not a colony? English citizens in a foreign land ruled by a governor beholden to the crown?

Because that's how all the "provinces" populated by Spanish settlers were set up. King Charles V chartered the Council of the Indies, which set up viceroys to govern the "provinces" in the New World, which was beholden to the monarchy.

Aside from this, the actual charter of the Council of the Indies uses the words "colonias" and "territorios" when referring to their "jurisdicciones" as opposed to "provincias". I think those cognates can be fairly easily understood.

Look, I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if you can provide a better source than the charter for the council over Spain's colonies.

[Darmody]

I don't know if you realize but you proved my point.

    "an area over which a foreign nation or state extends or maintains control".

The provinces were part of the Spanish Empire, not foreign entities under Spanish control.

    "a group of people who establish residence in that area and who retain ties with the parent state."

There is no parent state, there is only one state. So again, not a colony.

And I don't know why do you call me pedant. I just pointed out something that I think was relevant to the conversation. What I find ridiculous is you being triggered by it.