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by paperwasp42 1655 days ago
It'd be a travesty if she was lost. Her videos shined a light in the chaotic darkness of the beginning of this pandemic.

I've been concerned lately that a lot of articles critical of China's government have comment sections filled with things like, "America is no better, just look at their prisons" or "Europe has no right to judge, look at how they've handled the migrant crisis", etc. Or, worse, accusing the authors of being xenophobic or racist only because they cast China in a poor light.

There seems to be an odd desire right now to ignore any injustices going on in other countries, in favor of critiquing Western nations. Or even downplaying and excusing foreign corruption, to try to highlight how bad Western corruption is. This sort of Victim Olympics does nothing to help the foreign human rights activists, such as Zhang Zhan, who are crying out to the world and begging for our attention.

China's corruption is a unique beast that has unique impacts on its victims. Journalists like Zhang Zhan have highlighted this and presented rock-solid evidence. I dearly hope the Western world can quit its culture war squabbles for long enough to listen and offer all possible aid. It's increasingly hard to hear their plight over the sound of the West tearing itself to pieces.

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> It'd be a travesty if she was lost.

She probably will be saved. It's a lot of troubles if she would be harmed. All those will be blamed on CCP, and the lower officials who are handling the case in the frontline will be the scapegoat.

Everyone in the chain of command is incentives to ensure her safety.

But many in the West would want her to die. In order to denote the conflicts.

> Her videos shined a light in the chaotic darkness of the beginning of this pandemic.

Yep. But if you actually watched her video, most of them are actually herself speaking the darkness, seldom there is an actual scene of darkness caught on her camera.

I think she was mostly a very conscious person of the surrounding. But I highly doubt her news reporting skills and objectiveness.

> I've been concerned lately that a lot of articles critical of China's government have comment sections filled with things like, "America is no better, just look at their prisons" or "Europe has no right to judge, look at how they've handled the migrant crisis", etc.

Could you double check your statistics, and making sure that your impression was not exaggerated. And make sure that you are not siloed in some algorithm trap as well.

If you think about it, there is actually negligible amount of articles that are not critical of Chinese government. China is literally everyone's scapegoat for anything that is tangible for anyone to joke or divert the public's attention.

If you are seeing comments showing alternative views. That's a good thing! It's good not because they trust China. It's good because people are thinking more of the situation, and what's good for their living.

> Or, worse, accusing the authors of being xenophobic or racist only because they cast China in a poor light.

I mean, given what happened during the pandemic, and the Asian hate crime surge. It's not a stretch for some concerned readers (just like you) to have such emotions.

I myself were seriously concerned. And I bought 2 hand guns, 2 rifles, during the pandemic. Because I am a Chinese living in US, and I am concerned of my own and my wife and 2 young kids' safety. (And it turns out shooting as a sport is kind of fun, but that's a different story).

> There seems to be an odd desire right now to ignore any injustices going on in other countries, in favor of critiquing Western nations.

Really? Where are your evidence?

> Or even downplaying and excusing foreign corruption, to try to highlight how bad Western corruption is.

Name some examples. You are stating sweeping concept without evidences.

The global media is predominantly Western. I see no such sentiment reflected widely.

> Journalists like Zhang Zhan have highlighted this and presented rock-solid evidence.

Could you please link some of the "rock-solid evidence" of corruption that she exposed?

Her videos are a great place to start. They capture a lot of footage of Wuhan in the early stages of COVID, and show things like the crematorium running overtime and the hospital overflowing, during a period when the Chinese government was telling the world that fears of the virus were overblown, and a pandemic wasn't possible.

They also display just how aggressively Chinese authorities reacted to non-state journalists simply filming things. So much anger and intimidation.

Her channel can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsNKkvZGMURFmYkfhYa2HOQ/vid...

Yeah I know about her channel, but could you please link to actual "rock-solid evidence" of corruption that she unearthed? YouTube has a nice timestamp feature.

Vaguely gesturing to a dense YouTube channel is not helpful.

I don't know Chinese, but YouTube has a "sort by most popular" feature. There is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEmQdT2ChBA, which Google translates as "Family members of victims of the Wuhan epidemic face 'political stigma' warnings and pressure from the police". It just seems to be her talking in the video, so not really "evidence" per se, but judging from the English comment it seems likely to be the video that got her in trouble.
Let’s say there was no rock solid evidence. Is the way she is treated right?

If no, why would they treat her that way then?

Why she is willing to just not eat is a mystery. If she admitted to wrong doing they might let her out with a fine.

There are chaos.

I seem no corruption. I do see the Chinese workers who did exteadornry work to support Wuhan. One great example is a hospital built in 10 days https://youtu.be/53nhErXUd9A

All people on the construction site are volunteer. They have had the chance to go back. But decided to risk their own lifes.

Besides there are numerous medical workers from all over China to come to Wuhan to alleviate the chaos.

My highest respect to those ordinary people.

Goes to show, when you criticize any government you have more to lose than to win.

So the message is, think twice, expose a government in bad light, people will feel bad for you, people will say they "wish they can help you" while you'll lament and rot in a prison.

USA does do it too, the more prolific cases are treason, but if you get suspected of anything, wide reaching warrants exist and your privacy becomes null. The more they can't find on you, the more the USA government believes there's a reason to look.

IS China better than USA? No, not at all - but same chilling effects.

Okay, let's see some examples of American journalists being put in prison over anything other than literal treason (ie leaking classified documents).

Bunch of Winnie the Pooh shills/bots in this thread.

> when you criticize any government you have more to lose than to win.

Well, it depends.

https://tousu.www.gov.cn/zwfw/index.htm

This is a Chinese central government website for collecting feedbacks comments and criticism on minor civil issues. At the bottom of the page, there are responses from the government officials on previous comments.

Everything is in Chinese.

I suppose when you say this, you probably have China and other “totalitarian” nations as the subject. So this example is from there.

I am less familiar with US system, but I think minor civil issued are managed by autonomous local community anyway. And there is no federal level civil management after all, not like China. Ie. Chinese central government can have a civil feedback channel, which does not make sense for US feral government, as that's not their scope of responsibility.

Government is setup to manage it's subject. It welcomes feedback, in general. Just like a company, the CEO welcome feedbacks. The government, likewise the CEO, are mostly worried when the subject refuse to care. Leaving everything in stagnation and limbo.

We tend to forget which countries have already used atomic b*mbs on civilians.