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by mandmandam 1647 days ago
There are many neighborhoods in America that don't have coffee shops, at all. And many that you wouldn't want to be caught dead cycling around in on a pushbike.

On a broader scale, the median wage in America is only ~30k, while the cost of rent and basics far outpaces any increase in wages. So the idea that people would use the time off from their excessive working lives to go hiking is actually a bit insulting.

The comment I responded to reeks of ignorance of the reality of the daily lives of so, so many Americans; who if they have any free time and disposable income it sure as fuck isn't going to be spent hiking up mountains and buying decent hiking gear.

... I visited Pittsburgh last winter, and was struck at the differences between neighborhoods. In Squirrel Hill the coffee shops were open and trading, the sidewalk was free of snow, people got their groceries delivered from Giant Eagle. In Braddock, the sidewalks were cracked to pieces, layered with demonically slippery ice that hadn't seen a grain of salt in years. There wasn't any cafe, or bagel shops, or proper grocery store; there was a dollar store and a bodega with people outside trying to sell me clothes, or threaten me because I only gave them a dollar.

So I dare you, go to your city's equivalent of Braddock and ask them how much they like hiking. Ask them how much free time they have, ask them why they don't socialize in coffee shops. [I'm not shitting on Braddock - I liked it, there were nice people there, and many neighborhoods are far worse.]

The reality is that poverty amplifies loneliness while reducing the ability to socialize, but so many Americans are happy in their little bubbles while huge portions of the country crumble around them.

The world knows how unequal American society is, from welfare to justice to infrastructure; but wealthy Americans seem not to be interested (or to even think of themselves as wealthy). The blissful ignorance of most American's daily struggle is only blissful for the ignorant.

This isn't flamebait or nationalistic prejudice; just my own observations about a country that seems to be racing blindly to an even darker place.

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>The reality is that poverty amplifies loneliness while reducing the ability to socialize

Without diminishing how incredibly unequal/bimodal some areas of America are, I wonder if the second part of this statement is statistically backed up.

When I was poor I frequently interacted with different people waiting for the bus, riding the subway, hanging out outside the mobile home park drinking, etc. Now, borderline-rich, I find it much harder to interact with people. I drive alone in a car, live in a luxury condo complex where no one talks to each other, etc. (Although there's also a pandemic going on so apples-to-oranges)

Stats seem mixed [0]

[0] https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/are_the_rich_m...

The pandemic has affected the poor's ability to socialize far, far more than the wealthy. Your examples are each of choices you make that poor people do not have.

The stats aren't mixed, they're "u shaped" according to your link. Again, the difference is that the wealthy are lonely by choice; the poor by lack of options.

This is my impression also, that lower incomes are more social and community involved (church etc).
Also just because a certain subset of the population doesn't have various aspects of the suggestion doesn't mean the suggestion is invalid, or that the spirit of the suggestion, literally "go out", isn't even more broadly applicable. I might even say that your suggestion that lower income people at large can't "go out and do things" is what is disconnected from reality.

> This isn't flamebait

It kinda feels like you're looking to nit-pick/fight though.

30k? Fwiw I think your stats are way outdated. That was like 1999.
You may well think so, but no.

Median income was $31,133 in 2019, according to the Census.

Hence my point.

Edit for the response below: Median income is not the same as median household income.

Edit for the edited response: Sure, median wage in real terms is $35k, a whole 4k more annually.

Keep in mind though that 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week; "the most overworked developed nation in the world". That's not out of choice, that's out of fear, propaganda and necessity.

How about a source? https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-27...

> Median household income was $67,521 in 2020

Maybe you're thinking per-capita, which is in the 30s? But that unfortunately includes children, so not exactly what most people would think "Per capita income is the mean income computed for every man, woman, and child in a particular group including those living in group quarters."