[mathnmusic]

You can experience all of this while staying in a single language ecosystem. Just recently, I had to build something in Javascript and got to know Express is no longer recommended. Fastify, Remix are the latest hotness. :)

[aneutron]

I genuienly have not heard about either one of the three. I guess I remain stuck in PHP, Phalcon Framework, Symfony and Django / Flask.

[jimnotgym]

I was checking out Express...how do I get user logins, oh just npm in 50 other projects, adding 50000 dependencies. Back to Django then!

[abdusco]

The difference between Django and Express.js is that one is a fully-fledged web application framework, while the other is a micro framework that just gives you a simple request -> response abstraction over `http.createServer`.

I find Flask is more comparable to Express.js in that regard. Need auth? You need to:

1. Install a lib for persistence

2. Set up cookie sessions, or install another lib for JWT

3. Set up auth middleware

4. Prepare login/register/forgot pass views and flows

which are almost the same steps you need to take in Express.js.

[jimnotgym]

I guess my surprise came from asking around about what framework to use and being told it was Express. I guess it might be 'Sails', but it's been a week or two so that is probably obsolete now.

[shafyy]

Haha, that's exactly what I'm dealing with right now on the project I'm working. Add on top of that Firebase Cloud Functions. I really miss Rails.