[gkya]

> No wonder why normal people like walled gardens, the UI is more streamlined and (mostly) more respectful.

Have you seen someone use Facebook as of recent? Respectful?

[eyelidlessness]

It’s not a great experience in a lot of ways, but it’s 10x better than every time I give in to curiosity and follow a Reddit link (all from here, this bastion of good web).

[LordDragonfang]

That's because the default for not-logged-in users is "new" reddit, an anti-pattern-filled mobile-first abomination. Everyone that actually uses the site hates it too.

Regular reddit users forget how bad the default experience is when linking to it.

(You can restore the old, more hn-like appearance by replacing the "www" with "old" in any reddit permalink)

[eyelidlessness]

I don’t know that I’d call it “mobile first”. I only ever visit HN, and by extension Reddit, on my phone. As far as I can tell I can’t access any content on Reddit on my phone anymore at all other than whatever weird unrelated comments they show below the content I was trying to access.

[gkya]

I suggest you go to a non-techie relative or friend and ask them permission to use their facebook for a moment.

[eyelidlessness]

I get more non-techie feedback and advice about Facebook than I get from techies, thanks.

[seoulmetro]

You're mis-identifying user content with Facebook UI.

Facebook, Amazon, Google, etc. all do have very clean UIs for such big game. But they are pretty hostile for advanced usage (on purpose).