[Jansen312]

Hard to say. Considering that Biden got way more votes than Obama, I realized it was Obama riding Biden coat-tails all along. Biden was then the gifted orator it seems. Bill was lucky the economy did well I guess. I think Mick's shot in 2012 was also quite lopsided.

[SV_BubbleTime]

> Hard to say. Considering that Biden got way more votes than Obama, I realized it was Obama riding Biden coat-tails all along.

Can you please elaborate? I don’t remember anyone giving 1/2 a thought about Biden in 2008/2012. I am under such a different impression that I am left wondering if this was supposed to be sarcasm.

[bellyfullofbac]

I think you're drawing the wrong conclusions from some numbers. Biden most likely got a lot of votes because of voter turnout, with his voters desperately wanting to get rid of Trump.

[spfzero]

Are you talking about absolute vote count, or margin of victory? Obama's margin of victory in the electoral college was much greater in 2008 and 2012 vs. Biden's. Obama's popular vote margin was greater in 2008 and roughly equal in 2012, vs. Biden's.