[thablackbull]

What makes it not as coercive?

If I'm not allowed to have 2, was it less coercive because there was a way around it or something?

> It certainly did work though, it's very unusual to meet Singaporeans with more than 2 kids today.

I'd guess the lack of space and longer working hours would be more of a contributor.

[mtts]

In China you were fined when you had more than one child. In Singapore, you were not. It was just a publicity campaign, basically.

> I'd guess the lack of space and longer working hours would be more of a contributor.

Yup.

Also, Singaporeans of Indian and Malay descent have more children than Singaporeans of Chinese descent. Over time this would lead to the ethnic composition of Singapore changing. However, the government has decided the ethnic balance as it was upon independence is sacrosanct, so they hand out permanent residence status to anyone of ethnic Chinese descent that wants it - people from mainland China, mostly.

[thablackbull]

> In China you were fined when you had more than one child. In Singapore, you were not. It was just a publicity campaign, basically.

Well it would appear in Singapore, you were effectively fined anyways, just in a roundabout way, so I'm not sure how then that translates into less coercive.

> To help convince parents that fewer were better, the government legalized abortion and encouraged voluntary sterilization. Hospital fees went up as a woman had more babies, working mothers were allowed only two paid maternity leaves and a family’s third, fourth and subsequent children were given a lower priority in the choice of and admission to schools. [1]

[1] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-06-21-mn-8983-s...

[refurb]

Singapore heavily subsidizes what they want and then removes it for things they don’t.

Your quote is correct. But today, since they want more kids, you actually get more with the 3rd, 4th, etc kid - bigger bonus, school priority, savings account, tax rebate. There are half a dozen programs to help. It apparently adds up to over S$100,000 in benefits per kid over their childhood.

https://www.msf.gov.sg/policies/Strong-and-Stable-Families/S...

[silverpepsi]

In china you were more than "fined"

Friend's mum was spayed or whatever as punishment for giving birth to twins.

Mind you in the 80s they were straight up executing couples who did swinging.

[seanmcdirmid]

Enforcement was left up to localities, so was extremely uneven. Fines were more the norm in cities, but you and your spouse could also lose your government aid job (as a guide in Guilin told me she was a teacher before having their second kid, this is well into the 2000s).

Usually you wouldn’t be punished for having twins (at least in the cities that is). My wife has friends that are twins, their parents struggled to have even one kid so used fertility drugs (where twins is a more common result).

[dustintrex]

China had a very hard line, up to and including forced abortion and sterilization. Singapore employed a more nuanced system of incentives and disincentives:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_planning_in_Singapo...