[bravenous]

Making sweeping false statements without proof or facts. Massive literature (Vedas,Upnishads, yoga, Ayurveda, shavite mediations texts) all were spoken & orally taught till foreign invasions around 1000 AD. The language was part of day to day village culture till India started breaking.

BNF form and Chomsky work was greatly influenced by Panini Grammar Asthadays. It is different matter Chomsky does not acknowledge it while his professors do as to the source of influence on their work.

Tamil derived from Sanskrit as is Malayalam & Kannadiga and countless other Indian languages. So are many words in German, English and central European languages derived from Sanskrit Dhatus(root words). All words in Sanskrit come from this corpus of 2200 root words and new compound words created using these.

Now that is the beauty of Sanskrit. Panini Ashtadaya ought to be read by any serious linguist or CS person trying to built a DSL or a new programming language.

[jimsimmons]

> Tamil derived from Sanskrit as is Malayalam & Kannadiga and countless other Indian languages.

False. Dravidian languages were likely part of Indus Valley civilization. They were the original Indian languages. In fact Tamil doesn’t even have many borrowed words from Sanskrit

Sanskrit was never commonly spoken. Panini himself understands this and created Sanskrit grammar for fast transmission and not easy conversation. It’s not clear if Sanskrit was ever used conversationally. Even today, in Mattur, where everyone uses Sanskrit, it’s not the conversational language. It’s reserved for special occasions and teaching. Decline of Sanskrit has nothing to do with foreign invasions. They never invaded or ruled over south India for long. Hinduism thrived with Shankaracharya, Ramanuja, Bhakthi movement etc in the South. North Indians have no one else but themselves to blame for the loss of their culture.

Have you read Ashtadyayi? It’s a genius piece of work but won’t help you zilch in practice. Also learn the name of the scripture properly before you falsely profess random crap to stroke your ego.

[bravenous]

Anybody who has studied Sanskrit & Tamil notices tremendous similarity. Even the sounds and letters 90% overlap. Both Kannadiga & Malayalee agree Sanskrit is the mother language but not missionary funded Tamil political class.

You can’t have it both ways. One side you push the Dravidian supremacist mindset but then claim to be part of the Northern Indus/Saraswati valley civilisation. Indian used to be contiguous land mass, one time all the way to Bali and up to Volga river - king Lalitaditya including Gandhar(Kandhar, AFghanistan.)

I don)t believe in North & South Indian rhetoric - colonial trope popular with Christian missionaries. Not only I have read Ashtaadayi but used it’s principles to build a DSL. Sanskrit was designed for compactness and ease of remembrance, does not rule it out for speaking. I live near Asharams where they speak Sanskrit even today. This Himalayan Ashram is nearly 300 years old.

You keep making false, vague and generalised self serving statements as if you lived and spoken Sanskrit for 100 years. The corpus of Sanskrit literature exposes your “zilch” mindset. So tell me few phonetic sounds which exists in Tamil but not in Sanskrit & ones which exist both in Sanskrit and Tamil ?

That will set the record straight for the audience without you trying to bamboozle us with political rhetoric.

[jimsimmons]

This is so ignorant and willfully racist I’m going to reply once and then stop. First is Kannada. Kannadiga means a person of Kannada culture. Same with Malayalee-Malayalam. No one accepts in any southern languages that Sanskrit is the mother language. This notion died in 20th century when linguistic analysis showed the mutual interaction between languages. Tamil and Sanskrit might seem similar to you the same way German and English are. But just as they didn’t inherit one another neither did Sanskrit or Tamil.

After the decline of Indus Valley and drought in the Saraswati basin the people moved south and westwards. This is archeologically well supported.

Volga is in Russia. Ancient India was only up to Khyber pass. Chanakya made it a point to protect that pass to protect India from foreign invasions and it was never breached until Islamic invasions 1000 years ago.

It’s Ashtadhyayi my dude. Not Ashtaadayi. It’s not even a word. The fact that you don’t realize this glaring error after pointing it out twice tells me everything about your actual knowledge behind these claims.

I’m from an orthodox Brahmin community and yes we do speak Sanskrit. Not just speak but plenty of my relatives have written books and conducted debates in them regularly. Which is also why your borderline childish knowledge seems so obvious to me.

And Christian missionary what? Here we go again with the victim complex and conspiracies. You blame someone else for your own ignorance.

Phonetic sounds are never the basis for identification of languages. Mutual intelligibility and grammar is. Lots of languages sound like one another without having anything in common. All European languages roughly use Greco-Roman phonemes. But they’re far from identical.

There’s no political rhetoric in my replies. It’s you who is making up random unsubstantiated claims and twisting reality when you can’t even spell or correctly write 50% of the words you’re using.

Sanskrit is not the mother of anything. It existed along with Prakrit, Pali and dozens of other languages. They all mixed, bred and propagated through history. Your North Indian supremacist attitude is just a coping mechanism to escape from poverty and backwardness of the north

BTW: I’m not a tamilian. I just used it as an example. And here you are talking about missionary funding and Christianity. It tells a lot about what you actually think. You’ve been fed some Hindutva propaganda and you’re trying to parrot it here.