[lambdaba]

I did not say the body can't deal with glucose and as you point out, produce it on demand. What I meant by "in a tight band" was the chronically elevated glucose is damaging to organs as evidenced by what happens in advanced diabetes.

And the body doesn't need dietary carbohydrates, which was my point. It does absolutely need both proteins and fats without which starvation occurs.

[danachow]

I said the body runs on glucose (ie it is essential for survival) - you claimed that was misinformation (which it isn’t) - I said nothing about dietary carbohydrates.

Blood glucose levels for those on even the extreme keto diets will be regulated in the same range (60-90 mg/dl) as someone on a more conventional diet that does not have impaired glucose metabolism.

People with Type 1 diabetes still need insulin even if they are on a keto diet.

[lambdaba]

You said "at the end of the day your body still runs on glucose" which is NOT true on a ketogenic diet, as a mere 25 grams are manufactured by the liver as needed for (apparently) red blood cells.

Yes, I agree that ketogenic dieters still have glucose, obviously, my point was about CHRONICALLY ELEVATED glucose being deleterious for blood vessel health, which is widely known and, again, cause of the necrosis seen in late-stage diabetes.

I know of at least one T1 diabetic that is OFF INSULIN on a ketogenic (carnivore) diet.

[danachow]

Glucose is produced constantly by numerous cells in the body, and that is an essential function - regardless of diet.

> I know of at least one T1 diabetic that is OFF INSULIN on a ketogenic (carnivore) diet.

No, you do not. Fully progressed Type 1 or LADA diabetics need insulin to live or they need a pancreas transplant. There are some other experimental avenues - but they have nothing to do with diet because the key issue with T1DM is autoimmune destruction of the pancreas and insulin is essential.

You clearly do not have beyond a grade school understanding of biology. You may convince others that are similarly ignorant of the basics, but that would not be me.

[lambdaba]

Here's one example from a search: https://revero.com/vlad-manages-type-1-diabetes-carnivore-di...

And here's a person I know from Twitter: https://twitter.com/furniss_jon

I found an article by this person about it https://blogs.meterbolic.org/blog/taking-control-of-type-1-d...

Note that I'm not sure about his status at the moment because he's experimenting with a lot of stuff, and I'm aware of the beta cell issue, but it seems to be more complex than that. Perhaps it can only be arrested in a subset of people who somehow retained a baseline of insulin production.

Re: glucose, I'm not disputing glucose is always necessary, just not dietary glucose and only about 25 grams per day. Humans seem to be extraordinary at using fat for energy.

[danachow]

I read the blog post once and concluded this poor chap was confusing type 1 and type 2 diabetes - because really the first paragraph is silly - that testimonial is classic for type 2 diabetes.

I’m still a bit skeptical this dude actually has true type 1 diabetes, when it fits more likely that it is LADA, latent autoimmune diabetes of adulthood - maybe look it up.

But in any event, everything I could find is that this guy is still using insulin. So that doesn’t really change anything - he’s still insulin dependent - and he “hopes” that it can be reversed. But why? Not based on anything logical I can see. He reduced his insulin requirements - by reducing his dietary carbohydrate intake - well duh that is a mainstay of diabetes management for years - you don’t have to go full blown keto to realize decreasing insulin requirements with lower dietary carbs.

So your example doesn’t even demonstrate your point. And even if it did, your fundamental line of reasoning is flawed - you keep bringing up examples - these people might as well be medical outliers - this has no generalizability and you don’t have any justification to even suspect that their diet had any effect on their health outcomes.

Edit: also please read the comments carefully on “vlads” post - lol he’s been diagnosed type 1 at age 40 - more likely it’s lada. And he’s only been diagnosed 2 months - yeah maybe he still has some functioning islet cells left - look where he is in 2 to 3 years. I appreciate the commenters that basically call him out on his bullshit.

[lambdaba]

Yes the speculation is a zero carb diet will arrest type 1 if caught early.

Anyway we can perhaps at least agree that t2 diabetes is resolved by a low-carb diet and my initial point was just to say that blood vessel health is negatively impacted by abnormally elevated blood glucose, nothing more.