[adam_arthur]

Yes, vaccines mitigate the impact of the virus on individual health outcomes.

They likely also have some marginal impact on transmissibility.

But the data shows pretty clearly that the effect on reduction in transmissibility is quite low, or else there would be an obvious relationship in the data in infection rate vs vaccine uptake... Which clearly there isn't. If you believe otherwise, please share data proving some macro effect of reduced case counts correlated with vaccine uptake.

There's nothing political about what I'm saying. I am arguing against policies that are not backed by the data or science.

People proposing policies that are not evidence based are the political ones.

[simonh]

It's true that vaccines are less effective at slowing down delta. They slowed previous variants down by 80% or more. They still slow it down, but not as much. But in the UK we had high vaccination rates before delta hit and in the first 6 months of the year this saved a _lot_ of lives. It's still saving lives by reducing transmission, but now mainly by simply protecting us from the worst effects of the virus.