[Griffinsauce]

> in the long run that won't save anyone

> eventually

I don't know exactly about the US but in NL that is precisely the sticking point. It doesn't matter that everyone will get it, it matters when everybody gets it because we don't have the ICU capacity to treat everyone at the same time (+ regular ICU patients and overhead for scheduled surgeries)

[hef19898]

In Germany, a country with among the highest rate of ICU beds per capita, we reached a point where scheduled surgeries for cancer patient are delayed because of this. Yet alone to speak about emergencies, in some regions it really is a bad time to have a heart attack or a stroke. Or a serious accident.

Which is why I am so frustrated with people refusing to be vaccinated and with our politicians that ignored all warning over a calm summer, again after they did the same ting in 2020. Because reasonable, innocent people are suffering now. Sometimes I wished voluntarily unvaccinated people would be consequent enough to refuse treatment.

[galaxyLogic]

Very good point. Slow the spread. If you slow it to near zero we are well off.

This reminds me of someone telling me "If even vaccinated people can get Covid what's the point of me getting vaccinated?"

The answer is simple but perhaps subtle and may be hard for some people to understand and accept: To lower the risk.

You can't fully eliminate the risk but you can and should lower the risk as much as is easily possible.

There are 777k Covid deaths in the US now and I wonder why media doesn't tell us that number every day. I guess many people don't want to hear it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+people+have+died+fr...

[revax]

Don't forget that the vaccine also lower the risk of severe form of Covid.