[Bud]

No. We do NOT need fucking removable storage to fix this.

What we need, to fix this, is to enforce felony charges against the kind of fuckers who do this, and put them in prison for 20 years, and stop victim-blaming, and stop the insane medieval attitudes about nudity, and slap every single fucking person who espouses this kind of bullshit upside the head, daily, every single day, until society is finally purged of their bullshit, and we don't need anything. fucking. else.

This isn't a product design issue. It's a punish evil people issue.

[celsoazevedo]

In some places, people lose their lives if they do something bad. Yet, people still do bad things. I guess taking someone's life isn't enough of a punishment?

Laws discourage certain behaviours. It doesn't stop them.

Regarding victim blaming, obviously this person isn't to blame, but it seems that even suggestions to be cautious are seen as "victim blaming".

When you tell a kid to look to both sides when crossing the road even if it's green, you're not blaming them for a possible accident. It's just that sometimes people ignore traffic lights. And when you tell someone not to give their pin or send a device with sensitive content for repair, you're not blaming them. You're just telling them to be careful because sometimes stuff like this happens.

[wpietri]

I get your anger here, but pure punitive measures won't solve this. This is easy to prove in that it hasn't solved any other sort of crime.

One, the correlation between "do a crime" and "do the time" is quite low. Look at the stats for sexual assault (0.25%), robbery (0.2%), and assault and battery (0.3%): https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

Even for murder, the US's clearance rate is only about half.

But even if the correlation were somehow perfect, it still wouldn't eliminate it. People just have a hard time believing in the consequences of actions until they experience them. I couldn't count the number of times I've gone through the "ooh fire pretty" -> " ow fire hot" loop in various ways.

So this is thing where we need defense in depth. We need solutions in criminal law and civil law and provider regulation and product design and user education and culture shifting. Each one of those will be fallible, but each one will bring the rate down. With enough work we can at least make the bad outcomes rare.

[Bud]

We don't punish out of some fantasy that it will "solve" crime. At least I hope we don't. I'm under no such delusions, I promise.

We punish in order to hopefully deter, in at least some cases, though. And sometimes, we punish because it's simply the right thing to do, because people deserve it. This is such a case. They busted into these phones; that was bad enough. Then they searched for the most personal and compromising stuff they could; that's crime #2. Then they posted it! That's three crimes. This sort of brazenness needs to be punished, at least occasionally, to show people and future offenders that we still have at least some semblance of a functioning justice system. That they can't just do whatever the heck they want and laugh about how it might affect people.

[wpietri]

You were the one who said, "We do NOT need fucking removable storage to fix this," before going on to glory in punishment. If you now admit that punishment isn't enough, then presumably you now agree that we should do things beyond punishment to fix this.

[rootusrootus]

> This isn't a product design issue. It's a punish evil people issue.

It is both. A secure design would not allow this to happen. But when it does, the perpetrator should be punished severely.

[hollerith]

Because what the United States (where you and I live and this crime took place) really needs is more Americans in prison.

[Bud]

Nobody said that. I certainly didn't mean or say that.

We do need the right Americans in prison, though. I can easily find tens of thousands of folks who need to be released. These fuckers, though, need to be incarcerated. Otherwise, why do we even have prisons?

[scotuswroteus]

sounds like carceral feminism