[AussieWog93]

I understood "enlightened" to mean "espousing modern values of enlightenment" - basically fostering a belief in science and reason and trying to push mankind further in terms of technological and moral progress.

In this regard, both of those countries would be considered B-tier at worst.

[mariavillosa]

This is my perception as well. Not knocking either of those countries, just curious if they were thought to be bastions of enlightenment values.