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> So, after Nov 30th (today), you can no longer board planes, trains, or pretty much any other type of transportation to leave the country, if you are not vaccinated.

Even inside the country from what I understand. Free movement is no longer a right it seems.

Keep in mind that the current leader's father decided to suspend constitutional rights (because that's a thing over there!?) for dubious reasons back in the 70's. So it's not exactly new.

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The FLQ Crisis was a real thing and members of my family in the Canadian military were impacted. At the time, the war measures act was supported by 90% of the population. Perhaps you should take a few minutes to read up on it and then imagine what would happen if Florida separatists kidnapped and then killed Ron DeSantis. How do you imagine the US would have responded?

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Wasn't most of the evidence just planted there by the feds?

They ended up not being able to prosecute no?

[uberman]

Like the mail bombs and the dead Deputy Premier in the trunk of a car? No, that was not "planted" by the feds.

While most of those initially arrested under the war measures act were released without charges, more than 60 were charged and more than 30 with crimes serious enough to deny them bail.

Five of the kidnappers ultimately traded their victim for a ride to Cuba.

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> Like the mail bombs

But the feds did admit to that.

> While most of those initially arrested under the war measures act were released without charges, more than 60 were charged and more than 30 with crimes serious enough to deny them bail.

That's not good. Arresting and denying bail is one thing (and apparently it was done for arbitrary reasons because why not), getting a real conviction to stand the test of court is an other one. I mean, sure, if you stop and frisk every black person at a busy intersection without cause you'll eventually find an "illegal enough" item to charge one of them.

> Five of the kidnappers ultimately traded their victim for a ride to Cuba.

Alleged kidnappers and alleged victims. The court couldn't prove anything. And honestly, Canada is playing the same games by keeping known terrorists like Omar Khader from getting extradited and tried for the murders they committed. For political reasons of course. So could these individuals really expect a fair trial with constitutional rights suspended? Don't think so.

[uberman]

But the feds did admit to that.

I would like to see your source on that because I can list a bunch that attribute the bombings that killed 6 people to members of the FLQ. https://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTENTSE1EP16CH1PA4LE.html

That's not good. Arresting and denying bail is one thing (and apparently it was done for arbitrary reasons because why not), getting a real conviction to stand the test of court is an other one. I mean, sure, if you stop and frisk every black person at a busy intersection without cause you'll eventually find an "illegal enough" item to charge one of them.

I'm not sure what your point is here. The government arrested people they believed to be active members in a domestic terror cell. A group that was at the time threatening to kill a kidnapped British ambassador unless the Canadians released more than 20 previously convicted criminals. I would hardly call that "arbitrary". The US still holds people at Guantanamo for less.

Alleged kidnappers and alleged victims. The court couldn't prove anything. So could these individuals really expect a fair trial with constitutional rights suspended? Don't think so.

What are you talking about? The kidnappers published their demands and the government negotiated with them then the FLQ kidnapped (and subsequently murdered) the the government's most senior minister. The government effectively ended the Act in less then 3 months. It took the US more than 18 months to get a plea out of the "QAnon Shaman" with no trial. There was never going to be a criminal trial agaist members of the FLQ within the window of the Act.

With respect to Khader, who exactly would Canada extradite him to? The US had him for 8 years at Guantanamo then gave him to Canada. Are you suggesting that they want him back because if they do they should issue a formal request. Note that defendants in civil proceedings are not candidates for international extradition.

After his arrest, Jacques Cossette-Trudel negotiated the safe passage of FLQ members to Cuba in exchange for the British ambassador. Given that they had already kill a hostage, was reason to suspect they would do it again. These facts are not in dispute.

All cell members who fled to Cuba were eventually sentenced and served time in Canada for their crimes.

- Paul Rose sentenced to life imprisonment for kidnapping and murder

- Francis Simard sentenced to life for murder

- Bernard Lortie sentenced to 20 years for kidnapping

- Jacques Rose sentenced to eight years for being an accessory

- Jacques Cossette-Trudel sentenced to two years in prison (after returning from Cuba)

- Louise Lanctôt sentenced to two years in prison (after returning from Cuba)

- Jacques Lanctôt served two years in prison (after returning from Cuba)

- Nigel Barry Hamer sentenced to 12 months in jail (after returning from Cuba)

- Marc Carbonneau sentenced to 20 months in jail and three years probation (after returning from Cuba)

- Yves Langlois sentenced to two years in prison (after returning from Cuba)

I would say the courts clearly proved something.

You seem to suggest that the Canadian Government did something unexpected. What do you think the US response would have been if the Proud Boys kidnaped and murdered Pence on January 6th? Do you not believe the US would have rounded up and arrested anyone suspected of being a Proud Boy?

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> I would like to see your source on that because I can list a bunch that attribute the bombings that killed 6 people to members of the FLQ. https://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTENTSE1EP16CH1PA4LE.html

I'm sure it's in the best interests of the State Owned Media to agree with the State on these matters. So I won't even click or comment on that. Let's just say that they have a poor track record at producing any historic content https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/cbc-apology-story-of-u...

What I'm quoting is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_of_Inquiry_in...

Of course, that's what they openly admitted at the time. Who knows what else they did.

> I'm not sure what your point is here. The government arrested people they believed to be active members in a domestic terror cell.

Without constitutional checks and balances, you can arrest anyone you don't like. How convenient! Out of 500 arrest without due process they ended up with less than 10 convictions.

Also, if you look at the individual trials, you'll start to see a pattern:

"A Quebec government commission later determined in 1980 that Rose was not present when Laporte was killed, despite a recorded confession."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rose_(political_figure)

> Note that defendants in civil proceedings are not candidates for international extradition.

That's very convenient.