[xil3]

I never said it wasn't serious; but I'm also pro-choice.

We know nothing about the long term effects of this vaccine, or how it will affect our bodies when it comes to dependencies. I understand that millions have taken it, but that still doesn't show me any long term tests.

So I'm selfish because I want to protect myself and my family from something that I don't trust? I'm not anti-vax - we have all our shots. If after say 5 years, it turns out that there are no long term side effects, then I'm fine taking the vaccine.

[uberman]

If you don't trust mRNA vaccines despite a decade of delivery history and almost 50 years of research, then why are you not taking the J&J vaccine? It is a traditional platform and there are almost 90 years of history of large scale flu vaccinations using the same techniques.

How long do you plan to wait to get a 5g phone, or do you have one already and are just going to accept that it is safe because experts have told you so? If you have a 5g phone blasting "unstudied radiation into your brain" how is that any different?

[bigyellow]

What's going to happen the day you meet someone who doesn't want the vaccine or a 5G phone? Is your brain just going to combust, or something? Are you okay?

[uberman]

I see you have run out of goalposts to move and rebuttals to offer and have, as expected, degenerated into personal attacks.

When I encounter someone who won't use a 5g phone or get vaccinated because "the government" or "it is new" or "news max told me not to", rather than my head exploding I wonder how we got to a place where political loyalty trumps reason and how otherwise reasonable people can be so easy duped by conspiracy theories.

But hey go ahead and get buy best you can without getting vaccinated. Just don't complain about the ramifications as there are safe solutions. Hell go get infected and get an antibodies based passport if you really fear a flu shot based on 90 years of safe and effective delivery.

[bigyellow]

I didn't mention my vaccination status or any conspiracy theories, those are your projections. You seem triggered by this debate, so I don't think a productive conversation is frankly possible. If you honesty think rejecting new technology is only based in "conspiratorial" thinking, there's really nothing to talk about.

[xil3]

I don't really care about the 5g phones. The difference is that I can choose not to buy them, and it won't affect my life at all.

[uberman]

The point about the 5g phones was that like mRNA shots it is "new tech" that some people trust and use while other people fear. I would have thought that a cautious person like yourself would have waited a decade before accepting that they were safe. Setting the phone thing aside though...

What is stopping you from taking the J&J vaccine then? It is manufactured with traditional processes and is the kind flu shot that has been around for 90 years.

I see though from your comment that what might be the root of it is that you resent the mandate. I'll remind you that you have taken many shots much more required than this one. Like many countries, You can't get educated in Canada without a battery of them. They are part of a legally mandated social contract that people (like it or not) will man up and be vaccinated, not just for themselves, but for the good of the nation.

Is that not the very definition of a patriot and first class citizen?

[mtmail]

Another user has answered those concerns last time it came up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29206305

[bananabiscuit]

Not sure if “straw man” is appropriate here but the answers from that user are on the verge of patronizing for sure.

[xil3]

Yeah, I read all of that.

We still have no definitive proof of what will happen in the next 5-10 years to people that have taken the vaccine. Just because someone said that there is nothing that can happen based on the science, doesn't mean it's definitive - it's just conjecture.

[kjaftaedi]

I get your point, but to uproot your entire family and existence over this is quite a stretch.

Nobody wants the vaccine, but we take it not for ourselves, but our friends, families, co-workers and people in our community.

The whole "I don't want the vaccine because I don't know what's in it" is a largely American theme that you find less in the rest of the developed world where people are more focused on the health of the community.

You want to move away to establish yourself in another community, but do not want to participate in the well-being of that community.

If this is where your heart is at you might do better to join some off the grid, eco living type community. It will give you more of what you are looking for.

[moistly]

> We know nothing about the long term effects of this vaccine

Or of the virus. Tho we do know the virus screws with a lot of important cellular functions in the short term.