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by devcpp 1665 days ago
One problem is that globalization comes hand in hand with centralization. All industries have a tendency to cluster around a specific place with the most talent or existing resources.

While this gives disproportional power to some states, this also means no state gets all the cards since none has all the industries. China without its partners is nothing. This is a form of mutually assured destruction, which isn't ideal but better than most alternatives.

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While I agree, what we see practically is different.

Who in the world has genuinely condemned the Uighyur atrocities that China continues to this day?

China is wielding a lot of clout using its supply chain hegemony.

The problem with manufacturing is that you cannot spring up factories and upstream vendors in an instant. Costs lot of money and time.

For many industries, looks like China has captured a good part of the value chain. So, costs of setting up a semi conductor fab is compounded because you have to set up not only the fab, but the whole ecosystem of vendors and suppliers required to run the fab, not to mention the logistics to transport raw materials and the finished goods.

China has industrialized itself at the cost of developed nations (unlike industrialization in other nations, which was built from within). It has fast-tracked its way to manufacturing top spot with blatant IP copying, aggressive value chain development.

>Who in the world has genuinely condemned the Uighyur atrocities that China continues to this day?

Parliaments, heads of state, etc have referred to this as "genocide" despite insufficient evidence (the view of US state department lawyers). I don't know what further condemnation you're looking for there.

There is evidence*, a new trove just emerged recently [1]

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/leaked-papers-...

(edit: *genocide is a significant label, whether China's mistreatment qualifies as that is probably to be determined, but evidence of mistreatment exists)

>genocide is a significant label, whether China's mistreatment qualifies as that is probably to be determined,

That's what both my post and the US state department lawyers said. https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-...

Right, and I guess we agree that on a condemnation scale of 1-10, being under suspicion of committing genocide, to the degree that nation states open formal investigations is not low?
Yeah I literally can't think of a stronger "condemnation" than that, which is why I was asking.

To your link, evidence, Adrian Zenz, etc, are things I would prefer not to discuss on this site. :)

Actually doing anything of consequence
Like what? Regime change? Genuinely asking.
Trade sanctions are usually a couple of escalation levels below forcing a regime change.
Done in March this year: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56487162 so it's not simply condemnation, there's action too.
What kind of sanctions do you have in mind?