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by p2p_astroturf 1668 days ago
Your analysis does not break out of the well known box that is the classical ways of analyzing the security of a computer system (it actually creeps into DRM/TPM territory which is known insecure despite governments with guns). Thus the security of "AI" algorithms remains as insecure as it already was, and should not be used for anything that needs to be secure. If anything, the people who make critical infrastructure insecure should go to prison (after education is reformed to actually teach these basic problems). Your example is like how typical american citizens get their panties in a bunch and throw you in jail for 5000 years if you fake your identity, but this is only because they have build such insecure systems that comeletely break down once this happened. And this is yet another thing not fixed by policing. Sorry not sorry if I sound rude. You are basically asking me to go to jail so you can use some convenient AI consumer tech in lieu of proper solutions for stuff like authentication, court systems, and car driving (and all the other thing the wackos want to replace with AI).
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mgraczyk 1668 days ago
No, I'm asking you to go to jail if you intentionally try to cause somebody to die.
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p2p_astroturf 1666 days ago
No, you're asking me to not communicate to other security resarchers about the problems with security systems (for example, publishing a PoC):

> 2. People who create and distribute these stickers knowing their purpose should go to prison.

... and you're asking the entire world to change to make your vehicle work:

> 4. Roads should be modified over time to make it more difficult to do this attack.

10 years ago when AI cars were getting memed into existence I would get dogpiled on for naysaying. Now you same people want laws to stop people from breaking what was already easily breakable and which you argued was unbreakable.

Also, your poison analogy is invalid. Poison is not uncommon because of law, it's uncommon because it's uncommon. In the future, crazy people will be poisoning random stuff in the grocer because they don't like the demographic that shops there.

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mgraczyk 1666 days ago
Do you work in security? Are you familiar with "responsible disclosure"?

Poison is not uncommon. Without 10 feet I have enough poison to kill dozens of people. Most people do.

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brokenmachine 1668 days ago
The people shilling crap AI should bear some responsibility in my opinion.

If your garbage AI powered car can be tricked easier than an 8 year old, who's fault is it?

We wouldn't let an 8 year old drive, but your garbage AI is fine?

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