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by scottlamb 1666 days ago
Neat tool!

Since this discussion is attracting IP camera-savvy folks...I'm struggling to find cameras to buy/recommend. In particular, ones that:

* Aren't made by the big Chinese companies (Dahua, Hikvision, Uniview, Huawei) that are actively participating in the Uyghur genocide [1] and/or are considered a security threat by the US. (Most of those are banned for US government installations by the National Defense Authorization Act [2]; future models won't get FCC approval for private use either, according to the Secure Equipment Act of 2021 [3].)

* Support direct RTSP use rather than require a fast/reliable Internet connection and/or proprietary cloud service subscription. (This excludes eg the Nest and Ring stuff, as far as I can tell.)

* Are reasonably priced, although not necessarily as cheap as the Chinese vendors.

* Have decent night image quality. I'd be thrilled to find a model with the larger 1/1.8" sensors.

I know I should renew my IPVM subscription and see what they say. I'd love to find (other) quality review sites or forums that aren't super invested in Dahua/Hikvision (like ipcamtalk seems to be).

[1] eg https://ipvm.com/reports/dahua-uyghur-warning

[2] https://ipvm.com/reports/ndaa-guide

[3] https://www.cepro.com/security/senate-passes-secure-equipmen...

3 comments

Someone tried to steal my Subaru forester XT. I was going for a late night dog walk and heard some commotion outside my garage door, and found an unraveled coat hanger on top my car.

I looked at many expensive cameras, particularly the Axis and Ubiquiti. I was looking for outdoor rated, power over ethernet (easier cabling), standards copmliant, and not requiring any cloud access or service. I ended up with a pair of RLC-410s for $80 total, less than half of the alternatives. I didn't realize at the time how big an advantage it would be to have two. Both had IR illumination and I pointed them both at my driveway from two different angles. I got twice the illumination, two useful angles, and they were twice as easy to notice. Day and night quality was quite good, I could even see a black seat belt, inside a black car, with a black interior. They support RTSP streaming, as well as emailing clips (using your mail server), and hitting a URL to notify you have motion detection.

I've not tried their vehicle/person detection yet, but it's a nice solid camera if you want to build your own monitoring system, it seems to play well with others and avoids requiring some cloud service.

Mine were blocked completely from the internet, so no concerns with backdoors, privacy, etc.

I've always liked https://www.axis.com - they are Swedish and one of the IP cam pioneers. You are going to pay a premium though. B&H Photo sells them.
You could try Illustra, though they might be a little pricey. Full disclosure I work for JCI but I think they meet your criteria for the most part. Axis cameras seem very popular too.
A basic Illustra model [1] says "request info / quote" rather than "buy now for $x" or "here's a list of distributors/retailers". I'm guessing these are for large commercial installations? I'm looking for something a residential DIYer can buy.

I think Axis is closer to what I'm looking for, though they're the high end of what I consider reasonable price. GeoVision is the most promising I've seen. I bought a GeoVision GV-EBD4701, which was inexpensive. Feature list and software quality is pretty good, but I haven't really tested its image quality extensively yet and don't expect a 4MP 1/3" sensor to be amazing in low light.

What I'd love is something like the Dahua 5442 models except not made by Dahua, at up to twice Dahua's price. But I might just be dreaming.

[1] https://illustracameras.com/cameras/essentials-2mp-gen4-mini...

I doubt you are going to find anything like the Dahua prices from a non-Chinese vendor. All of the Chinese vendors benefit from massive economies of scale.

A Taiwanese vendor to look at is https://www.vivotek.com. I've got a few of them and they've been solid, despite not having many firmware releases. They are broadly available in the US.

I think the GeoVision (Taiwanese also) is close enough in price to comparable budget Dahuas. I just wish they had an equivalent of Dahua's higher quality models.

I'll look into Vivotek, thanks!