[SimeVidas]

> Engineers from Apple and Mozilla are largely our bastion against Google's harmful proposals for the web.

Brave also deserves a mention. As long as Brave exists in its current form, there will be a version of Chromium without Google’s “bad” stuff.

[andrepd]

Sure, it just has Brave's "bad stuff" instead :)

[0xR1CK]

What would you define as "Brave's 'bad stuff'" ? It would seem that Brave does a lot to leave power of choice while erroring on safety / privacy for the defaults. What issues does it have?

[gonehome]

For now it let's you keep the BAT stuff and ads off, but the incentives are not totally aligned there and I'd worry in the future they might force you to use it.

Ultimately they're inserting themselves in as the attention reseller - it's still an engagement/ad play dressed up a bit.

I really like what they've built, but I don't like how they're trying to monetize it. I think the ad/attention model is a corrupting influence on content quality generally, I can see what they're trying to do but I'd rather ad supported models just die. A browser completely focused on the user would just block ads and be done with it (imo).

Just let me pay for software that doesn't suck so our incentives are aligned. If you want a free ad-supported version for people unwilling to pay then fine.

[_-david-_]

As Chromium adds more and more bad stuff, it will be harder for Brave to patch everything out.

[stjohnswarts]

I suspect they'll eventually just remove capabilities entirely that allow ad blocking and brave will have to completely rewrite it and shoehorn it in.

[_-david-_]

They are already restricting it with manifest v3. It is only a matter of time until it becomes manifest v4.

[iamtedd]

Does Vivaldi deserve a mention here alongside Brave?