[unethical_ban]

It's their tool, so they get to build it to their liking, until law is created requiring them to do otherwise. The question in the meantime is, "what is moral?" and "do we as an entity (twitter) enforce our morality at all, and to what extent?"

For example, millions of people believe the lie, the fabrication that the 2020 presidential election result was fraudulent. If there are organizations on your platform amplifying messages that are fraudulent or intentionally misleading in nature, should Twitter take action?

The new CEO seems to think the answer is "yes".

IMO people should be able to curate their own feeds, but Twitter has the full right (and perhaps the moral obligation) to flag content that is bullshit as bullshit. The danger, of course, is that the kinds of people who fall for conspiracy propaganda from fascists on the right will then think, if their leaders' lies are called out, that the calling out is itself a conspiracy, and further entrench themselves rather than heed warnings.

"How to keep a social media platform from enabling anti-democratic demagogues" is an unsolved problem.

[syshum]

There are many facets of this comment I would like to address.

First lets make the assumption that I agree false information should be (or even can be) curbed on social media, things like Flat Earth... The problem here as we saw with COVID picking "authoritative" sources is not always accurate and tends to curb legitimate dissent as much as it does false information. Anything from the origins to COVID to the flip flopping nature of mask wearing, to discussions over mandates have all been censored in various ways under the guise of curbing false information. That is very very dangerous IMO, in fact to me it more dangerous than the false information itself. It is akin to the legal standard of "better 10 guilty people go free, than 1 innocent be imprisoned falsely" well to me, it is better than 10 false statements be spread than 1 true statement be suppressed

Then you have to take into account the clear political bias in deciding what is "false" information, you talk about the "big lie" of election fraud, but what about the continuing lies about the Rittenhouse trail, the protests / riots, the Waukesha Atrocity, Russia Gate, and many others continuing to be spread by the "authoritative sources" that many of these platforms use as Ministries of Truth. None of which has any kind of censorship or fact checking attached to it, it seems only one political camp has these fact checker flagging deployed to them. If you are going to fact check the "Big Lie" on election fraud, then I want to see fack checks on all those other topics as well.

Then you talk about Twitter "flagging" content, I actually agree that is the correct path. What twitter (and youtube) does to add a flag, or content message directing people to different sources is a good thing, I have no problem with this I just want ti deployed in a political neutral, fact based way. Today it is not being done that way.

What I do have a problem with is suppression, bans, and other direct forms os censorship often employed by twitter and other platforms. I am a firm believe that the solution to speech one believes is false or "bad" is more speech you believe is true or "good" not attempts to censor and suppress which often has an amplifying effect.

[tonguez]

There are better ways to win the hearts and minds of the population than authoritarian control of what people see, hear and say. No one likes to be controlled by someone else. Censoring discussion of the issue is only going to make more people assume the election was in fact "fraudulent". Similarly Sam Harris has said in a podcast how laws against Holocaust denial do more to create more Holocaust deniers than they help because they automatically make people assume you have something to hide, even if you don't.

In general, intelligent people feel an intellectual responsibility to question what they are told.

[shrimpx]

> No one likes to be controlled by someone else.

The irony is that millions of the people you’re trying to defend as free-thinkers who can look at any speech and make good choices, are literally controlled by Fox News and Alex Jones propaganda.

Side note: In fact I believe there’s a legal path to suing Tucker Carlson out of existence by proving, with real data, that people really do believe the nonsense. The only reason Carlson is still trumpeting destructive lies from a megaphone is that so far, judges have accepted the argument that “no one in their right mind believes that what Carlson says is true; he’s obviously a satirist.”

[Maursault]

> are literally controlled by Fox News and Alex Jones propaganda.

You think you've got it, and though that may seem obvious I must set you straight even if it scares you as much as it does me: it is the other way around; those are mere reflections ultimately under their control (as much as anyone controls their beliefs).

[shrimpx]

Your parenthetical statement casts a large shadow over the rest of your statement, because yes, control varies, and people with low control (correlates with low education) are precisely the ones who fall prey to cynical propaganda.

[mbg721]

There's this idea that there are millions of mind-numbed conservative zombies out there, blindly following Trump or Tucker Carlson or spokesman x, but I don't see it. What I think is closer to the truth is that there are a ton of angry cultural conservatives who distrust everybody, but begrudgingly watch Carlson because they perceive him as better than the actively-hostile rest-of-the-news. That doesn't necessarily mean they're making good choices, but it's good practice to understand why people make the political choices they do.

[shrimpx]

The theory that a huge percentage of Tucker's audience is watching it knowing full well that Tucker is a full of shit zero-content "satirist" just isn't convincing at all. Unfortunately, though, it has been convincing to some judges but like I said I hope that will change.

That said, I now a bunch of people firsthand who are getting brainwashed on Tucker and Alex Jones. They really do believe the crap.

[native_samples]

The problem is of course, he won't ever do that consistently. Instead he will simply decide that people he doesn't personally like a "lying" and "spreading misinformation", whilst people who are powerful or who he does like, never do.

Consider that if Twitter censored everyone who believed a lie or fabrication, every public health person who claimed masks didn't work and then that they did, would all lose their Twitter accounts or be hidden. Guess what, they will never do that.

Thus it is reasonable to interpret their use of the word "healthy" to be "heavily left wing biased".

[unethical_ban]

You have some false equivalences in your argument.