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> Stop with the globalism

> Nations should handle their borders-- that's the point and root of a nation: to be born in a specifically territory.

And obviously, there are giant classes of problems that cannot be addressed effectively (or at all) with that outlook.

For instance: a nation focused solely on its own territory will be unable to prevent a pandemic disease from affecting it if its neighbor manages to cover it up long enough for it spread across the boarder.

It's basically the externality problem from economics.

[throwawaysea]

> For instance: a nation focused solely on its own territory will be unable to prevent a pandemic disease from affecting it if its neighbor manages to cover it up long enough for it spread across the boarder.

Isn’t this what happened with COVID-19 anyways in the present situation with globalism? There were scientists from WIV that were hospitalized in November. A lab leak still seems like the most likely origin theory. China didn’t tell the WHO until the end of December 2019, and it isn’t clear why - perhaps they didn’t want to cause panic, or maybe they wanted to be sure before taking big steps, or maybe they were secretly hoarding medical supplies, or maybe they did not want the rest of the world to continue pandemic-free and leave them behind economically. I cannot say which, but given the kind of things the CCP is willing to do (see Tibet, Hong Kong, Uyghurs, etc.) I wouldn’t put malicious strategy past them. But my point is, even with globalism, I am not sure we get the benefit of neighbors not covering things up - so we might as well try something else?

[marchingtomars]

--> My nation belongs to my Government, governed by my people. Not a non-transparent, subject-to-corruption international agency

Again: nations should handle their borders.

That means a strong border policy focused on border defense from illegal entry, and reduced, quarantined, and/or eliminated immigration in times of pandemic.

And I disagree with your assessment especially your assertion of "unable". Sure, Some nations will have more difficulty than others-- self-sustainability being the main determining factor in terms of quarantining trade & immigrants.

This idea of a country hiding the pandemic-- Yes, we've already see that with China. And, Trump was attacked for closing down the border, but of course was the rational decision.

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Also, you present a false dichotomy: That by strictly controlling borders is mutually exlusive regardign a nationn's submission to globalistic where we give power to agencies subject to the human condition of greed, power-&-financial-corruption, and criminal financial conspiracy (look at the International Olympic Committee and FIFA).

That said, I also hold the view that the United Nations and WHO should not be responsible for owning, claiming power/responsibility over, or enforcing anything upon or within my particular Nation (The United States).

--> My nation belongs to my Government, governed by my people. Not a non-transparent, subject-to-corruption international agency

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>>> Stop with the globalism

> Again: nations should handle their borders.

> That means a strong border policy focused on border defense from illegal entry, and reduced, quarantined, and/or eliminated immigration in times of pandemic.

And again, that won't actually work during a pandemic. Are you going to strand your own citizens overseas at a drop of a hat? Diseases can travel in them just as well as in a foreigner. If your focus is exclusively on your own borders and territory, and you're not cooperating with other nations, your border agency is going to be flying blind in the early stages of a pandemic and will probably fail to keep the disease out.

Similarly, even if you do manage to control it internally, the kinds of barriers you'll need to maintain will have massive costs, that may actually be higher than participating in a global response to a global problem.

[marchingtomars]

It's a nice Hypothetical of a relatively tiny quantity of Edge Cases,

but it's a repetition of a False Dichotomy, as I already pointed out. You have anything original?

It doesn't mean my nation should stop protecting its borders.

If anything, it indicates my nation should put more resources into protecting our borders.

I fail to see the premise of your argument, other than "In pandemics, bad things happen".

As I said-- Restrict immigration & quarantine immigrants. Simple.

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