[kubav]

Totally agree. I am 30 and already got 2 jabs. I will probably need to get 3rd in less than 6 months to be able to normally live (covid pass in Europe). Risk to person of my age is low even without vaccine. I got myself vaccinated only to help the society (and to get covid pass) but I do not feel that I am helping if they are wasting vaccines on people like me instead of sending them to people who actually need them. It is sad that this is official EU policy to require re vaccination of young people (official recommendation to member states is that vaccine is effective for 9 months for all ages).

Not to mention that climate in central Europe effectively stops virus from May to October so it will be way more efficient to vaccinate people in August and September.

[sxg]

Vaccination is less of a supply problem and more of a distribution and demand problem. One vaccine administered in the western world does not mean one vaccine has been made unavailable to the third world. It's similar to food scarcity, the primary problem is poor infrastructure making distribution networks extremely inefficient.

[kubav]

Distribution in the country is not the problem (look what "Medecins sans frontires" do). Mostly 3rd world countries do not have medical standards as high as in first world so you can instruct taxi drivers how to jab people and give them trunk full of vaccines and they will empty it in the same day without problems. And it will be still safe enough as those vaccines are applied to muscles.

I think it is the problem of supply and demand because EU and even more US* are making vaccines way more expensive.

* EU is buying vaccines together to not compete for price between states but the price is probably way higher than African countries can pay. Imagine the whole world teamed up together and vulnerable people would be vaccinated at the same time before young healthy people as it is done now in EU.

[fomine3]

Paying more by richest countries is fine, but it should help get vaccines cheaper for developing country.

[disgruntledphd2]

To be fair, this was always the plan. Once the rich countries got vaccinated, they were going to give the surplus to the rest of the world.

Boosters and supply chain issues have rather upended that plan, though.

[tshaddox]

Not to argue with you too hard, but I’m also in my 30s and you definitely downplay the “self-interest” angle more than I do. Indeed, I got my shots because I want to “do my part,” and I’m also not particularly worried about personally getting severely sick or dying.

But I also just don’t want to get sick at all because getting sick sucks.

That’s the same reason I’ve been getting yearly flu shots every year since college. Before COVID I never even really considered the personal risk of long-term side effects or death from flu (although I’m sure there’s some measurable risk) or the fact that flu kills tons of people every year. I just hate getting sick and from the evidence I’ve seen the flu vaccine is very safe and usually fairly effective at preventing the flu. Same goes for the COVID shots. I’d take common cold vaccines if they were similarly safe and effective and readily available.

[rajup]

Mostly agree, but have you considered that perhaps falling sick once in a while allows your immune system to adapt and become more stronger? I mean vaccines have been around for all of 100-200 years...

[tshaddox]

The only reason to want your immune system to be stronger is to not get sick, right? I certainly wouldn’t choose to get sick once a month in order to have a super mega strong immune system, for example. The desired end goal is to get sick less often!

In certain cases it may be that getting a mild infection does help prevent later more serious infections, but AFAIK those cases are generally getting infected as an infant or child. I’m not aware of evidence showing that current widespread vaccines for adults have this effect of trading mild illness now for more serious illness later.

[karlicoss]

afaiu, in theory, immunity acquired through infection can be stronger than the one from vaccination. E.g. vaccination might prime your body for just one protein, whereas an infection would prime for several.

But it's not universally true, varies for different viruses, and also isn't fully understood whether it's the case for covid. So far seems like a safer and less miserable opinion to get vaccinated rather than get sick with covid.

[tshaddox]

That may be the case, but the immunity you got through infection also involved you getting sick once.

[himinlomax]

Vaccines do exactly that, without the discomfort of getting sick. That's the whole damn point of a vaccine: to stimulate the immune system. That's how they work. I just can't understand how people fail to grasp this simple fact.

[supernovae]

You do realize that that vaccines are what teaches your immune system to combat diseases, right?

Your only "sick" because you didn't pro-actively teach your immune system to handle that flu.

[rajup]

Sure, for diseases we know and are actively fighting (how long was it before we got vaccines for COVID?). My point was that for unknown diseases you might be exposed to in the future you are probably (I say probably, because hey let's not kid ourselves we're all mostly speaking out of our a**s here :)) better off if you had been exposed to milder diseases beforehand.

[himinlomax]

Getting exposed to one disease does not help you fight another, or at least not any more than getting a vaccine not targeted at the second.

[rajup]

The number of studies suggesting people exposed to other coronaviruses (common cold etc) having possibly more immunity to COVID disagree with you. You seem to be absolutely sure it makes no difference. Care to back that up?

[Frondo]

> allows your immune system to adapt and become more stronger

This is precisely what vaccines do, without the "falling sick" part first.

[rajup]

Fully agreed, requires having a vaccine first though. I just didn't fully agree with GP's goal of never ever falling sick ever.