[ryantmulligan]

Palish- I sympathize you. I recently read PCL and started to code a project with it. I have a pretty firm idea of where I wanted to go and ran into the same issues with ASDF that you mention. Fortunately I was on linux so I was able to fix them quickly. Still I was just fed up with a lot of the unclean syntax that I had to write to make stuff work. No one was sympathetic with my viewpoint on #lisp and they all said there was no such thing as "clean and consistent" code when I argued that I would use Arc if it was more clean and consistent than ANSI CL. I came to the conclusion that the community sucks and I don't want to be apart of it, even if their language is better. Anyway to celebrate my decision I went over and coded some rubini.us . Cheers.

[willarson]

So you went into a programming language's IRC chatroom and began arguing that a non-existent language is better then theirs. I don't really envision many language enthusiasts responding well to that. Is the next step is for us to debate with pg that Fortress is better than Arc?

[ryantmulligan]

I referenced that point out of context.

Someone asked, "Is there any demand for Arc?", After people were joking about the 'Invisible Arc.' I said, "If it is more clear and consistent, I demand it." I was merely stating my demand, not arguing with them that Arc is better. I don't know if Arc is better, but I know that if the Community of Arc is better than #lisp that would be a great start.

[willarson]

Sorry, it just seemed a mite too easy. :) Its pretty hard to find a community worse than lisp, but a big part of that is that lisp is at a very different stage of its lifetime than almost any other language out there.

Python/Ruby/Perl/TclTk et al are very young, and tend to be much more friendly (interestingly many feel that the Ruby crowd is getting a bit antsy these days, an acceptable lisp afterall? never). I'm hard pressed to explain why C is still relatively friendly, but I suspect it is in large part because there are many more C programmers, many more new C programmers, and that C finds people, whereas people find Lisp.

[omouse]

Non-existent? Then what are you using right now? Invisible news.yc?