[gruturo]

> Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs.

The relatively few deaths from Covid are a testament to the effectiveness of the preventive measures and vaccines, not an indication that it is a firecracker. Hospitals would have absolutely been overrun (remember the "flatten the curve" slogans?) and people, unable to get treatment, would have died at 2 to 5 times the current rate.

We're at 5 million deaths worldwide and counting (you call that a firecracker??), it could have been a lot higher.

[GDC7]

> We're at 5 million deaths worldwide and counting (you call that a firecracker??), it could have been a lot higher.

How many months were trimmed off each COVID victim lives?

In 99% of the cases it's between 12 and 48 months

1918 flu attacked the youth, it trimmed between 48 and 68 YEARS off their lives, as I said: firecracker vs. nuclear weapon

[GoodbyeMrChips]

GDC7 should not be downvoted for pointing out that 1918 Spanish flu affected youth, whereas Covid-19 predominately affects the elderly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Mortality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covid-19#Mortality

[sdoering]

As far as I remember in Germany the average years lost were 13 years. I would love to know where you got your numbers.

From all your statements and bold claims I am actually missing reliable sources.

Fir example, where did you get the 99%? Or the 12 to 48 months.

And btw. what is the world view if someone dying 4 years prematurely (on average) is something that one can state as OK?

[GDC7]

> As far as I remember in Germany the average years lost were 13 years. I would love to know where you got your numbers.

That study claiming 13 years had a big asterisk: "those dying from COVID-19 may be an at-risk population whose remaining life expectancy is shorter than the average person’s remaining life expectancy. This methodological concern is likely to be valid, and consequently our estimate of the total YLL due to COVID-19 may be an overestimate"...DUH!!!

> And btw. what is the world view if someone dying 4 years prematurely (on average) is something that one can state as OK?

At this rate we are ALL going to lose 4 years of our lives with eternal lockdowns and travel restrictions and all this wheel which keeps spinning.

It's time to do what Sweden did, now we can roll out a new mRNA vaccine in 100 days if needed be, we have the Merck and the Pfizer pill.

It's time to go on with our lives , again , before we ALL lose 4 years, not just the immunocompromised and the overtly obese.

Besides, those categories who are handicapped are able to live a life with dignity because there is an infrastructure providing for them, that infrastructure has come to a halt, so they are losing those 12-48 months of life anyway .

Thing is, somebody who is 12-48 months away from the grave is susceptible to a ligth breeze, so if it's not COVID taking them it's the effect of lockdowns and the failure of the infrastructure.

[sdoering]

Interesting take. I have lost nothing for example. I gained a lot over the last 1.5 years.

I am vaccinated. I keep my distance. I do everything to protect those that need societies' help to do so (medical personnel, people that can't be vaccinated like people on chemo or pregnant women in the first trimester).

I additionally used the time not stuck in senseless commute to create a side business. Started to learn a new language and helped local businesses to grow their online presence.

Additionally as foster home we provided shelter for about 25 cats that now live in loving families.

I think it depends on how one views these times. For me it is a massive win.

[GDC7]

Of course, if one thinks that work is the be all , end all to life then they'd find themselves rooting for endless lockdowns.

But there is more to life than work, people want to be able to go to a stadium, a club, to fly to Vegas or Macao to get shitfaced and play poker against the pros, they want to be able to go to resturants without having to wait half n hour for the vaccination check, want to be able to fly to Dubai or the Seychelles or Maldives or Aruba for the winter

Matter or fact the vast majority of people who consider themselves work-a-holic they are such because in their minds they know that they always have the option to unwind and do all the above things if needed be.

Remove that option and all of a sudden their mental health goes down drammatically

[odonnellryan]

Where do you get this 48 month number?