[vulkoingim]

That's a very shortsighted comment. Just because you've never seen it happen, it doesn't mean that it doesn't. While terraform itself may not crash (maybe not in the manner that I assume you're referring), you are at the mercy of the implementation of the specific providers for which I've (and many others as well, I'm sure) seen plenty of issues. Even in "mature" ones as aws/gcp.

Besides that, the control-loop pattern, which the parent comment describes is a very sound design, which is employed not only in kubernetes and has nothing to do with "Optimizing based on a lottery event".

[znpy]

> That's a very shortsighted comment.

Is it though? GP claims to have been using terraform for years.

I have been using terraform for some time too, and from what i've seen well written providers will error out in a safe and controlled manner instead of making the whole thing crash.

> Even in "mature" ones as aws/gcp.

Can't comment for the gcp provider, but I've worked at companies where the terraform provider is used quite extensively and really can't recall a real crash that created serious problems. And i've been also using the openstack provider, again, quite extensively, with not much troubles.

So in conclusion I think that it's your argument that's really short-sighted, because it's based on FUD and situations that are theoretically possible but sufficiently remote in the real world that they can be ignored.

[vulkoingim]

Doing a very quick search [1] on the aws provider github repo, produces `92` open, and `306` closed issues with various bugs in the provider. I agree that most of them might not count as creating serious problems, but I as well have been using it quite extensively and can definitely remember cases where I have had to manually deal with corrupted state in various ways.

I'm not sure which part of my comment was "FUD" - I never said that you shouldn't use terraform, I was pointing out that issues exist, always. I think of it as the nature of the work we're doing (I say we, as I imagine you are also in the SWE field based on your comments). Show me any piece of software without bugs, especially as complex as a tf provider, and I'm buying you whatever you want.

[1] https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-aws/issues?q...