[lazide]

Hah, maybe in some abstract social planning sense - but no one (numbers wise) will use them because as an individual they’re clearly terrible as an individual experience compared to a car. You sit in the same traffic as the car, but have no privacy, no control of your environment, little to no control over your schedule, etc.

[andrewxdiamond]

Ironically, if everyone used buses, they would be much easier to keep timely. They would also receive enough funding and political focus to be kept clean and high quality.

But our ruthlessly individual mindset here in the states blocks us from reaching many of these higher level goals.

[Ericson2314]

That's true, but we must work with the hand we're dealt.

1. We do not have the political power to ban the cars to clear the traffic until people already ride transit.

2. People will not ride in sufficient numbers unless it dodges traffic.

So yes, there is nothing materially wrong with surface-level transit, but we can't make that work until the cars are already gone...so we are stuck building more tunnels, viaducts, etc.

Light rail right like this fundamental is a salve, or yet another feel-good government service for the poor. But it doesn't help us change mass culture, nor can it easily be reformed into something that does.

Now, I should concede Pre-metro / Stadtbahn is not dead end, and allows for an incrementalist approach that is not just slapping band-aids. But you still need to put the urban core underground to have a beachhead, and to my knowledge only San Francisco of North American cities has a light rail that does that.

[lightrail123]

If it takes the same time, but I can sleep, eat, and play videogames, that's a pretty huge win, tbh.

[lazide]

Except for one location (Singapore) I’ve used light rail or busses, they generally ends up the type of place it isn’t safe to actually zone out. Anecdotally from friends, Seattle’s are worse than most.