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by guscost 1660 days ago
Ok, do you have any recommendations for uh, China analysis YouTubers?
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When weighing pphysch's media recommendations, consider that they apparently believe that applying Occam's Razor leads to the conclusion that "Washington media is blowing literally any scandal out of proportion in a propaganda blitz aimed at tarnishing Beijing 2022." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29344160
Eh, I don’t really care which username recommends things on the internet, I care about finding more sources to expand my understanding.

pphysch’s sources could very well be garbage, but I can decide that for myself.

Digging to China YT channel. Amazing coverage, objective and very sound.
Sure. What topics/sectors are you interested in?
Asking this question pretty much reveals what you’re going to recommend. Obviously, I’m looking for opinions about: “CCP good, or CCP bad?”
I don't follow. What was I going to recommend?
“CCP good”
I don't get it. So it was a disingenuous request?
Cyrus Janssen, Daniel Dumbrill, Geopolitics In Conflict, Carl Zha, Brian Berletic.
This has to be satire. Anyone looking to be informed about China would be better served by reading the Axios Sinocism newsletter.
I don't believe that Axios is a better source.

Maybe let people check both out and decide for themselves.

Have you even read Sinocism? Your recommendations are very, very low quality.
Sinocism is the approximately the same level of quality as Jansen, Dumbrill, etc. That it caters to a particular crowd of liberal "China watchers", which you may be party to, does not make it higher quality.

Axios is also known for producing outright disinformation on China via zealots like Allen-Ebrahimian.

This is laughable. Do you post to r/sino?
I’ll add these to my sources, thanks.
Mind that some of those mentioned receive money from the CCP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOIrsmjRFxU
Well here's what Cyrus Janssen has to say about accusations of him being paid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb-6fgN3MZA

TLDR: he didn't only not get paid, he refused payment. Plus the payment offer was not "we pay you to say this" but "we want to license your content for republication" and "we pay you a fee for the trouble of appearing on our show to give your independent opinions".

Yep, thanks.
Mind you, accused of being paid.

I recommend you to watch arguments from both sides and then decide for yourself whether the accusation is right or not.

Alright, mom! Sheesh!!
And Sandy Hook was a false flag op, because grifters would never lie on the internet.
Cyrus was recently exposed as paid by CGTN.

Dumbshill recently posted a clip of an old video of laowhy86, “exposing” him as a racist… which turned out to be taken extremely out of context and edited to be purposely misleading.

You should check his rebuttal to the "exposure" then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb-6fgN3MZA

Let people watch both and decide for themselves who to trust.

Hard to form an informative opinion when he released that AFTER he got exposed. It's possible that video is just him trying to save his skin. Just saying.
laowhy86, serpentza
Here's why both of them are not reliable sources: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/status/145210963079286784...
In addition there was a marked change in tone from when they were in China. I subscribed and enjoyed that content and the two Exploring documentaries. Really good content.

When they left China it started to sound like highly personalized hate speech. I initially assumed that it was because they were upset at having their livelihoods up-ended and a sense of rejection. But... initially they had great plans for wide-ranging travel documentaries which did not seem to pan out ... so it seems like the next-best thing is Five Minutes Hate against our enemies in East Asia.

Sad to see them degenerate, but not living there now they are not much of a source of information.

This is exactly how I feel about laowhy86 and serpentza too. So much great content in the past but times have changed.