[DoreenMichele]

I think your argument only strengthens mine. It sounds like you are saying "The Netherlands was kind of the America of Europe in terms of being crazy car-centric and they sucked so much worse than they do currently."

To which I say "So you're telling me if they can become the global poster child for doing this better, anyone can do this better -- even the US."

[GekkePrutser]

Well, I don't know how much they suck now as I've left 10 years ago, but I know pre-corona there were many cases of the largest traffic jams ever reported in the news, almost weekly :)

When I was there these numbers were much lower despite the A2 being a horrible ever-changing construction site. And it was already so frustrating I once broke my teeth just from grinding it :(

At the same time even the frequent train routes were apparently really overcrowded. Everything is different now with Corona of course but that's worldwide.