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by csee 1672 days ago
They do cite sources, in the "Proposed causes" section.

> We can start with 100 million indigenous souls in the Americas and count from there!

This example fits under colonialism, not capitalism, and there's already a page that covers that category:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples

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That page is not the same: it lists crimes of the same type, not by the (supposed(^*)) ideology they were committed under.

There are a lot of ideologies in the name of which mass murders were committed: fascism, Christianity, Islam, other religious ideologies,... and some ideologies for which this is at least debated, like capitalism. The problem is that these crimes often vary so much that it's hard to find a common thread besides vague ideological motivations. So it is less controversial to group them by the type of crime, like killing of indigenous peoples, regardless of the supposed justification (religious, economic, racial...)

Are there other Wikipedia pages in the style of "mass killing in .*ist regimes"? I couldn't find one.

* I write "supposed" here in line with the discussion in the original article where the question of what classifies as a communist regime is discussed a bit.*

> The problem is that these crimes often vary so much that it's hard to find a common thread besides vague ideological motivations.

I agree that it's hard, but some scholars have argued that there is a common thread. Why wouldn't we want to put that scholarship on Wikipedia?

> Are there other Wikipedia pages in the style of "mass killing in .*ist regimes"? I couldn't find one.

There's this, but it's not well developed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism_and_genocide

The same recategorization could be applied to any death that ostensibly “communism did.”

Why don’t we call American slavery “capitalist slavery?” It was far more capitalist than any of the deaths people try to attribute to communism are communist.

> The same recategorization could be applied to any death that ostensibly “communism did.”

In the case of famines, no it can't. The famines were a direct consequence of the specific communist policies that were enacted. That's why the communism categorization is fair, because communism was the proximate cause.

Regarding the indigenous American genocide, that had little to do with capitalism. The proximate cause was colonialism. That's why it's not a valid comparison or argument.

In the case of non-famine mass killings under communist regimes, there's valid debate about the extent to which communism itself is responsible, and that debate is discussed in the wiki article.

Even if I grant that some mass killings were due to capitalism (e.g. the Rawagede massacre), all that means is that that would warrant its own article where the scholarship on the common underlying threads is discussed. It's not an argument for taking down this article. I'd also challenge the notion that this isn't talked about in Wikipedia (although I recognize there isn't a dedicated article on it). Read the article on the Irish Famine where they openly discuss the role of free trade in possibly making the famine worse.