[OnlineGladiator]

And I don't like pearl clutchers who shit on others for having fun because they don't know how to have it themselves. Jesus dude, develop a sense of humor. You'll enjoy life more.

The part you're failing to understand is that from my perspective you are the person making the world a worse place. I understand why you don't like me, but you don't seem to understand why some people don't like you. Anyway, like I said before, we're not going to find common ground.

[AnIdiotOnTheNet]

I could ask the same of you: develop some empathy and shame, but it would seem that you don't really care about others so long as you are entertained. More charitably, I imagine that you care at least a little bit, you just think the entertainment value to you outweighs any inconvenience it caused others to the extent that no one should feel at all embarrassed by having behaved that way. I disagree.

> you don't seem to understand why some people don't like you.

Dude, I don't even like me, so I get why people don't. Most of them I do not begrudge. My problem with you specifically is that what you don't like is that I refuse to say it is ok to mess with people you don't know for fun.

[OnlineGladiator]

Nobody is unaware of the externalities of the prank, you are just the only one who cares. The reason you make the world a worse place is by lecturing people about things nobody cares about but you, insisting it's the only thing that matters and the world is going to shit because nobody shares your values - meanwhile the world is carrying on just fine by ignoring you. You don't recognize you're actually taking an incredibly arrogant stance by more or less trying to force your values on others, even if you think you're sticking up for people. You also reek of needing to express your moral superiority to others, not recognizing that other people have different morals than you. The reason I don't like you is because you insist you're right even when everyone is telling you you're wrong, and then have the gall to act superior to everyone who you haven't even understood. You want to suck the joy out of something just because you don't like it, even if everyone else does.

You can have the last word if you want. I'm done.

[AnIdiotOnTheNet]

My values? You mean having empathy for people you don't know? Yes, I'd say that people not sharing that is indeed why the world is going to shit.

Though of course most people do share it, probably even you. It is a mystery to me why you seem to be saying that no one should care at all about the people negatively affected by this. An argument for the funnieness of it, or the art of it, outweighing that would be understandable, but you don't even go there, it's just apparently not even worth consideration and I'm a bad person for considering it.

I am not trying to force my values on anyone. I am making no call to action whatsoever. The things these people did were already illegal. All I'm doing is defending the idea that yes, indeed, the people who did this have cause to be embarrassed by it. It would seem that you do not agree and do not think anyone should feel embarrassed. Why this disagreement between us is a source of so much vitriol from you I do not understand if, as you say, you truly do not care.

[_blu]

You are actually the one who strikes me as cold and lacking empathy here, because you don't understand that no one got hurt in any serious manner. You also talk about things that are obvious (why they aren't said), like the sheer joy of the prank.

[AnIdiotOnTheNet]

The reason I continue to argue this point is that I can't seem to grasp the mindset of people who think there's no shame in fucking with people they don't know. Like, how do you square that? Do you like getting fucked with by people you don't know? Is it made better if they thought it was funny?

[criddell]

Does any of that change if you stop thinking about it as a prank and instead consider it as performance art? With art, provocation isn't shameful, it's often a goal.

[_blu]

You are just arguing to "win" the agument. It make no sense. No one was actually harmed by the incident. I bet if you asked the people who got pranked today, they would remember it fondly.

[AnIdiotOnTheNet]

You're defining 'harm' in a very literal fashion. I'm arguing regardless that no one was injured or, from what we can tell, fired or anything, they still caused a lot of inconvenience for some people. Yeah, the hack is kind of funny, and it is likely pretty much everyone remembers it fondly[0], and none of this is really a huge deal in the end, but what I'm saying is that it is perfectly understandable to be embarrassed by having behaved this way in the past, I believe it is a sign of maturity.

[0] However, it is not unknown for soldiers, even one's with PTSD, to have an overall fond recollection of their time in the war either, so it's not clear that means anything.