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by maxerickson 1662 days ago
Consumption does correlate with quality of life, health and happiness.

Keeping in mind that degrowth isn't going to happen (for good or bad), it probably isn't a great use of time to advocate for it.

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> Consumption does correlate with quality of life, health and happiness.

At the current rate America consumes food, I'd bet that there's a _negative_ correlation between amount of food consumed and health.

If I go to Costco and look at the amount of meat you get per $, I am not sure if we aren't way beyond basic "quality of life, health and happiness."

I am saying this as someone who lived for years in the US and now lives again in Europe.

It really makes me sad when I go to Costco to buy food. I don't know how people will feed their kids right at these prices honestly.
Rice, beans, block American cheese, stew meat, whichever fruits and veggies are on sale, make your own baked goods. People found ways even when prices were much, much higher relative to incomes. Eat-whatever-you-like-whenever-you-like is not the historic norm for the working class.

Not saying this is a positive development, mind you, but there are whole cuisines designed around these kinds of needs, for good reason. Stretching out meats over multiple dishes, finding ways to use worse cuts, re-using fats, using all those parts most Americans won't eat anymore, but used to. Making stock from veggie scraps so they're not wasted (then using what's left for the garden, if you don't have chickens and/or pigs to recycle it into eggs and meat for you). Food waste should drop as prices go up, as it's largely a convenience thing. Assuming we remember how to really cook....

Reduce protein intake to the recommended amount. Rest of meals come from, carrots, onions, potatoes, rice, eggs, flour and beans.

Sticking with the above food is very affordable for the median income.

Europeans have half the ecological footprint of Americans, yet our quality of life is dramatically higher. It might have some correlation, but at a certain point that correlation stops and it just gets gratuitous.
> our quality of life is dramatically higher

(as a fellow European) By what metric ? Would love to know.

Life expectancy and infant mortality come to mind[1]. As does leisure time[2].

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/america-li...

[2] https://www.nber.org/papers/w11278

According to numbeo local purchasing power in my city is the same or better than most US cities despite the fact that my wages are much lower over here in Germany.

Tax policy has massively dragged the absolute price level downwards while having almost no effect on the relative price level.

(Disposable) income != quality of life.
Correlation does not imply causation. Just purely saying “consume more and you will have a higher quality of life” seems off. Consuming the right things is important imo.
In my opinion governments should really pay attention to what the nation needs over the long term and spend money on that rather than count beans and get tricked by fiscal rules. That means no to boondoggles, yes to healthcare.
Degrowth will happen. Nature will force it's hand.
If degrowth happens on average, people with privilege will expect (and take steps to ensure) that it won't apply to them but only to others.
Well, that is exactly why there is growth dependence. Some people have extra things they don't really want, so others will have to repeat the same work just to get the same things that already exist.

It's like group homework. If one person does everything, others won't get to do it themselves. So they have to redo the homework on their own to learn instead of learning together.

It's also why the wage inflation spiral exists. Full employment may require busy work, as we do our work more efficiently we need an exponentially growing amount of busy work. If people simply worked less, without leaving individuals unemployed, you wouldn't have the damn spiral.

Nature has no say in Meta Worlds!

Long Growth.