[mikewarot]

>The main thing that not having children does is ensure a future that is full of people with very different values from yourself.

The first thing you need to accept if you want to have kids, is that they will NOT live the life you want them to live, nor will they accept your values at all, unless you can convince them that your values have merit.

How well have you been able to convince your friends of something? Yeah, you'll have slightly better odds with kids, because in the beginning you have full control over their environment, until school starts.

[tharne]

> The first thing you need to accept if you want to have kids, is that they will NOT live the life you want them to live, nor will they accept your values at all, unless you can convince them that your values have merit

People will do what they want, but most people end up with values fairly similar to those of their family. We tend to focus all of our attention on the differences because those are more interesting and gossip worthy. But most of us are products of our genetics and our environment to a greater extent than we'd like to admit.

[HKH2]

> nor will they accept your values at all, unless you can convince them that your values have merit.

So brainwashing doesn't work?

[mikewarot]

Fortunately, it doesn't.