[VortexDream]

Wow, this seems like an impressive step forward for the CPU industry and the kind of change we've been hoping for since Ryzen started giving Intel a run for its money. I can only hope that AMD continues to stay competitive and keep Intel on its toes.

[404mm]

I’m not sure about how much progress was actually made. To me, it seems like they pocketed some extra performance that was previously “unused” due to lower max TDP specs.

[xwdv]

They are still far behind AMD.

[jjcon]

Not according to these and other benchmarks - what makes you think that?

[xwdv]

These are lagging benchmarks, you don’t think AMD hasn’t been working on the next big thing?

[postalrat]

You don't think Intel hasn't been working on the next big thing?

[ed25519FUUU]

These benchmarks suggest they are much slower at bringing the chips to market than AMD, but they’re able to match or beat performance dollar-for-dollar.

[jacquesm]

Assuming the chips and motherboards are actually available (at normal prices), and that the production systems will perform in the same way as the benchmark systems.

[Sponge5]

what are normal prices anymore?

[devonkim]

It’s a bit of a complicated matter in terms of pricing as a measure of performance / dollar because with the current Ryzen CPUs AMD increased pricing relative to the previous generation and Intel being in its current position is lowering pricing to remain competitive. So AMD is reducing pricing accordingly and it’s not clear what the margins look like (the 5800X in particular is an awkward chip to produce and now may be forced to even sell at a loss).

There’s many factors to consider in TCO like performance / watt as well combined with motherboard ecosystem which has been a historical AMD weak point. So it’s tough to compare CPU pricing on an apples to apples basis even if the CPUs were otherwise exactly the same performance and pricing

[tehbeard]

> motherboard ecosystem which has been a historical AMD weak point

Is this referring to pre AM4 socket? Or the faff around Ryzen 5000 not supporting the earlier AM4 motherboards?

[devonkim]

AM4 _and_ prior. Motherboard quality has varied considerably across different manufacturers compared to Intel’s partners. One other example of recent annoyances is the launch situation with B450 and X570 and now with B550 and X570S existing years later basically. Gigabyte’s one manufacturer that has been swapping out parts to lower spec and they don’t get away with it in Intel’s partner network but somehow AMD isn’t penalizing Gigabyte at least publicly to keep this from happening.

[R0b0t1]

For a long time AMD motherboards just had less features. Unsure if he means that specifically, but it was a pain point when I was building an AM4 system.