[HunchedOver]

The cruel workaround that's playing counter to this is to diminish the person's life and freedoms until they take it out of desperation, and if they still don't give in; forsake the pretence of choice and mandate it anyway.

[minitoar]

The unvaccinated diminish other’s lives by being a vector. Why in your opinion are they entitled to do that?

[HunchedOver]

Medical consent is their right. They have the right to say no to any medical procedure for any reason. Right there in the GP funnily enough.

[minitoar]

I was not disputing that. I was disputing that it’s a “cruel workaround” to eg require that people who work with the public get a vaccination to keep their job. Those who choose not to get to vaccinated are not entitled to force their presence on private individuals and to a certain extent the public.

[HunchedOver]

I'm not explaining why segregation is cruel to you.

[minitoar]

It’s really more of a quarantine.

[nradov]

I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, but vaccinated people are also vectors. The vaccines don't reliably prevent infection or transmission.

https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

[minitoar]

As far as we know now, vaccinated people who contract covid shed less virus for a shorter period of time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-var...

[nradov]

Yes but so what? Since the virus is now endemic and can't be eradicated, all of us will be exposed multiple times throughout our lives no matter what we do or how many people are vaccinated. Vaccination provides good protection against severe symptoms, but over the long run it won't prevent others from being exposed.

[minitoar]

I imagine you know this, but maybe there’s some reason you think it doesn’t matter: It will lower the rate of exposure.

[thedream]

Windows 10 all over again?