[gord]

re my last point as I just noticed YUI App Framework -

I like the idea of a framework.. but the Todo List app just seems overweight.

I personally dont want to see a Rails style or heavy iOS/Cocoa style framework for web.

What I like about Javascript is it has enough lisp that I can write surprisingly small amounts of code, and the code reads like the way I think about the problem. Also the async events are magic in terms of decoupling components [ reducing cross dependencies ].

I content that concise frameworks are possible in Javascript [and lisp], whereas they are not possible in C/Java/C++/ObjectiveC.