[Griffinsauce]

> browser-provided abstractions are trash for writing a web app

This is the key.

If browsers would improve here we wouldn't need half of the dependencies that we use now. It took nearly a decade to get from moment.js to some proper usable native functions for example.

Besides that we _really_ need to solve the issue of outdated browsers. Because even when those native APIs exist we'll need fallbacks and polyfills and lots of devs will opt for a non-standard option (for various reasons).

The web is still a document platform with some interactivity bolted on top, I love it but it's a fucking mess.

[jimmont]

Without more information this mindset is stuck where the web platform was maybe a decade or more ago. Roughly a dog or cat lifetime. Consider the list APIs at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API I'd be curious to know if anyone active on HN could actually say they have proficiency with the entire list. Professionally speaking I wouldn't call that a mess. I'd call it a largely unused and unexplored opportunity.