[coolso]

> The same NYTimes that shilled the Iraq War for Bush?

Organizations can’t change at all within 20 years? Democrats have changed just as much in general. 3/4 of the stuff the blue check marks talk about on Twitter wasn’t even mentioned in passing in the early 00s.

[pstuart]

I think the Overton Window has shifted to the right.

I've been explicit in saying that I am not a fan of the Democratic party. They are not above reproach.

What's interesting is I never hear any complaints about the GOP from those on the right. Nada. Nothing. This is not whataboutism, it's that these complaints read as tribal warfare, not a search for the common good.

[AnimalMuppet]

Shifted to the right? Compared to when?

[pstuart]

Yeah, I understand some confusion there. Perhaps it's getting wider. On the right side it was White Nationalism coming out of the shadows. The politicization of vaccines (which prior to covid was more the domain of soccer moms (falsely) worried about autism.

Sure on the left you've got LGBQTXYZ rights but that's been a thing for some time. I'm kinda drawing a blank here so feel free to share.

This divide is no organic accident -- it's being actively promoted. Team Red vs. Team Blue is a master stroke in ye olde divide and conquer game.

[AnimalMuppet]

"White Fragility" seems to me like the left edge of the window clearly moving left.

But I agree with you on two points. First, the Overton Window is getting wider. In fact, I think it's worse. It got stretched so far that it shattered.

Second, I agree that someone (or several someones) are playing divide and conquer, and they are not our friends - of either side. We're being divided, and the next step is coming...

[pstuart]

Could you elucidate on the "White Fragility"? I do think that's an issue but we may have differing interpretations of it.

And thank you for your thoughtful reply. I'm not here to argue or score points -- I genuinely want to understand the thinking that happens outside my box.