[nickthemagicman]

This poor guy got bells palsy from the vaccine. And he's healthy 56 years old which is a very low-risk group to begin with. The statistics for a healthy 56 year old dying of C19 are extremely minimal.

A healthy politician in Australia appareny also came down with Bell's palsy recently after getting the vaccine. Victor Dominello.

"If they talk to me long enough, they notice, even six months later, I still have some lingering symptoms of Bell’s Palsy, which I got following my vaccination. I still have to put drops in my right eye every now and then, still have to drink oddly out of only one side of my mouth. I can’t honestly say there isn’t some minor risk, even though I do add and emphasize, “I would have still gotten vaccinated again. Having my risk of death cut down by 10 times is like, huge man. Worth a few eye drops now and then.”

The susceptibility of people to news media fear mongering influencing them to do things directly against their best interest, like injecting experimental medication or the poor voting for less taxes on the rich... will never cease to amaze me. The power of propaganda.

[romanovcode]

While there is a link between COVID vaccine and Bell's palsy, in general it seems one would have greater risk of getting Bell's palsy from COVID itself rather than from the vaccine.

[nickthemagicman]

> greater risk of getting Bell's palsy from COVID itself

Maybe if you include all age groups..but in a healthy young person?

The oddly flagged thread below has a calculation that shows the possibility that it's worse with references from Jama and Lancet.

[NullPrefix]

>greater risk of getting Bell's palsy from COVID itself rather than from the vaccine

Is there any actual science to this?

[morsch]

Here's a place to start: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... which cites https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarti... among others

More generally, Bell's palsy is associated with viral infections of the upper respiratory tract (not limited to covid, and among other things). So it's not surprising that it's a (rare) complication of covid.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bells-palsy/s...

[nickthemagicman]

> 19 Bells Palsy per 100 000 vaccine(from paper provided) = 0.00019

> Bells Palsy from COVID in the general poulation

7 million (infected 50 year olds) * .08% (of BP from the paper) = 5600 / 350 million(us population) = 0.000016

Looks like your chances are significantly better NOT getting the vaccine. And it just gets dramatically worse the younger age groups you look at.

This is assuming the vaccine affects every age group similarly which there is conveniently no data on that I could find. But according to the news media it does affect everyone the same.

References:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarti...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254271/us-total-number-...

[morsch]

So your math answers the question if I take a random American, what's the likelihood they're a person aged 50-64 and they're known to have had Covid by November 10, 2021 and then BP (0.0016%) and you're comparing that to if I get the vaccine, what's the likelihood I get BP within 8 weeks (0.019%). I'm not sure how much sense it makes to compare those two figures. That's ignoring errors in the underlying numbers (US population is wrong).

[nickthemagicman]

Yeah that's exactly the calculation were looking for.

Do you want me to run the numbers for a person under 18?

Trust me it will be drastically less chance of BP from covid than the vaccine.

We would never consider the idea... that an IV drug users chance of getting AIDS .. is the same chance as the rest of the population.

Yet for some reason people are okay with the idea that a healthy 18 year old has the same chance of negative outcomes from covid as an UNhealthy 75 year old. And that the response should be commensurate.

Very strange to me how we don't differentiate population and lifestyle adjustments to covid statistics.

VERY strange.