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by thatfrenchguy 1685 days ago
> What kind of person voluntarily enrolls their children in vaccine "trials"?

People who want the pandemic to end and everyone’s children to be safe?

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SARS-CoV-2 is basically already endemic.

In the US, since the start of the pandemic, the total number of deaths "involving COVID-19" in children aged 17 or younger is 595. During the same period, total deaths in this age group amount to 61,523.[1]

The vaccine does not provide sterilizing immunity. Fully vaccinated individuals can become infected and transmit the virus to others.

Based on these facts, can you explain how vaccinating children will "end" the pandemic and make children significantly more safe?

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se...

I still don't understand how people don't get it. I don't think is worth the risk for old people either (it's my opinion guys, please don't bury me). But for children? They suffer way more with influenza and they don't get shots... don't you really understand that? Covid has Flu like symptoms, but at the beggining and maybe still, many covid patients were dying from something else but gave positive in a PCR... C'mon.. we can do better
> I still don't understand how people don't get it.

I've come to believe that it's all political and ideological at this point. There is indeed a contingent of crazy people who don't think COVID is real, believe in wild conspiracy theories about COVID, oppose any preventative measure (be it masking, social distancing or vaccination), etc.

And then there is another, larger contingent of people who believe that if they acknowledge any limitations of the vaccines, the minimal utility of rushing to vaccinate children, etc., they are letting the crazies win.

So now we're stuck in a Twilight Zone where the vaccinated have to be protected from the unvaccinated, vaccinating the group least likely to be affected by COVID is promoted as the latest key to ending the pandemic, "natural immunity" has gone from being accepted as basic science to treated like pseudoscience, and everybody who is vaccinated will probably be pressured to boost every 6 months no matter how much protection they continue to be told they have against hospitalization and death.

> They suffer way more with influenza and they don't get shots...

Children absolutely get flu shots. It's recommended annually for anyone over six months old.

Did you miss the "trials" part?
Why do you think they missed that part, considering they directly quoted it?
Because the comment seems to ignore the context here. And the context is one where there are some concerns and so the Food and Drug Administration asks vaccine producers to enroll more children in their vaccine trials. So as to clarify something they dont know. A commendable intention if you ask me but I prefer to phrase it as in:

"We have something that might cause heart inflammation in children...Might be true or not. We would like to find out more as we have seen a few cases...Would you mind send your toddler in Monday morning please? We are going to give him this product"

My twins were born three months early, and we enrolled them in several studies during their NICU stay. Several came with potential but limited risks, either of side effects or a treatment regimen that might be somewhat less optimal (one was exploring different frequency of bilirubin lighting, for example).

We did so in part because my kids benefited from other people making that same decision years ago - to participate in clinical trials that might benefit future children like mine.