[mlyle]

We, at least, spend a fair bit of time on:

- Advertising and dark patterns

- What else can be inferred about you from seemingly innocuous information, and potential misuse

- Durability of your digital footprint

- Security, file types, etc.

Education doesn't fix these issues, though. Even well-educated developers would often give up and click 'Allow' on a modal privilege escalation box that pops up repeatedly in research. And if I need to get something done and it doesn't work I'm pretty quick to re-enable scripts and tracking.

[mixmastamyk]

Knowing these thing exist is a great first step, and glad to hear you are helping out.

But, it doesn't become a concrete, visceral thing until you inspect a no-script menu while browsing a news site. Or run Little Snitch on a freshly unboxed Mac. Or going to a "white pages" site and see the last four addresses of your family members. Salary info, current whereabouts, criminal history, are a fee away.

It's a different world.

[mlyle]

Yes, but the whole world won't be developers. And many in the know just don't care.

You're talking about a population of 12 to 18 year olds. Even among the most responsible and least-easily influenced of them, social pressures absolutely dwarf any abstract concerns about corporations knowing a bit more about broke-ass you to try and sell you things.

Most of this population will take a short term gain for an uncertain consequence a few minutes later. You're talking about short term gain versus consequences that they may view as inevitable and occurring decades away.

[mixmastamyk]

I can only affect my kingdom, what others do is mostly not my concern. Reminds me of the corporate garbage “food” products most people consume. I speak out but not going to steal their doritos.

[mlyle]

You're the dude who spoke of the need to "reign" in teachers and advocated for restrictive whitelists.

[mixmastamyk]

I did and would do it again.

These are exactly the population that should be protected. If you wanted to give them agency, which I support, let them manage their own whitelists instead of throwing up hands in defeat.

The future is already here, trends are not reversing:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-11-09/column-tra...

We can teach them to protect themselves, pretend the problem doesn't exist, or say "aww shucks, all the cool people are being violated."