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by formerly_proven 1688 days ago
> Is this true? I've heard claims in both directions but seen no sources for either.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hospitals-reach-critical-pande...

https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany?view=resource-use&tab...

https://www.thelocal.de/20211108/german-states-bring-in-toug...

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-german-health-chiefs-call-for-st...

https://thegermanyeye.com/hospitals%3A-the-intensive-care-un...

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Thanks for the links. I get a strong sense from these sources that cases are ticking up in Germany and government is considering more restrictions. I get less strong of a sense that ICUs are primarily filling with severe covid patients. Seems reasonable that if cases are going up, hospital admission (including ICU beds) would go up, but its hard to conclusively validate that from these.
Maybe the second deep link isn't working correctly, but look at the ICU beds used for COVID-19 patients graph. Also the first link. Also from yesterday: "Meanwhile, German authorities issued threats of a new lockdown, while a top virologist called for immediate action in the face of overburdened hospitals. ... Several hospitals have said in recent days that they are again working at their limits and have ICUs so full of COVID-19 patients that they cannot admit new patients at the moment. Charite said Tuesday it had to cancel planned surgeries due to the number of staff members caring for people with COVID-19. Authorities have said most of latest patients are unvaccinated."

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-france-tightens-vac...

For every English article mentioning this situation, there are 100 in German.

I did see the graph from your second link and the projected stats going up and to the right, but I wasn't sure how to interpret it in isolation (for example, what does a graph of ICU usage over time look like historically?)

The media landscape on this topic seems so polluted and untrustworthy that I can't help but wish for some kind of straightforward data supplement to go with statements like

> Several hospitals have said in recent days that they are again working at their limits and have ICUs so full of COVID-19 patients that they cannot admit new patients at the moment

where I can read that and then compare it to a spreadsheet and say yep that adds up. Your second link isn't quite that for me (and I realize its an unrealistic expectation). Another poster in this thread linked to something that was closer, but also didn't quite make the case imo.

Anyways, appreciate the links. It seems clear something is going on in Germany, and I may need to get a hold of my skepticism a bit.