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In American tort law, the standard is what a reasonable person would understand from the statement. A reasonable person understands "vaccine" as something sterilizing against the target. The COVID-19 vaccines wouldn't be called vaccines by the average person who completely understood their effect on a person.

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Have you got an example of a vaccine that meets your new definition?

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The burden isn't on me, a fan of vaccines that have documented high performance. (There are many of them. They aren't hard to find. Try medRxiv.)

The burden is on you, a person who seems to believe without evidence that the COVID-19 vaccines prevent people from becoming infected with COVID (they don't) perpetually (they don't). There are many fully vaccinated people dying with COVID because (as with most other COVID deaths!) of serious comorbidities.

The best current evidence is that the COVID-19 vaccines have a good effect on preventing hospitalization and death, little effect on preventing infection, and all benefits attenuate materially at between 3 and 9 months.

It's an insanely mediocre product, which is fine because COVID is mediocre at killing people. But its mediocrity means the mandates -- especially for under 30s, especially for young men, especially for those rich in IgG antibodies -- is unjustifiable.

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> The burden isn't on me… The burden is on you

You made up a definition of what ‘vaccine’ means then decided that covid vaccines don’t meet it.

The vaccines do a pretty good job at preventing morbidity and mortality. Feel free to sue someone if you disagree and if American tort law allows it.

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"If I get the immunization, I won't get it."

That is what the word vaccine means to ordinary people. Stop accusing me of changing a definition that your side is changing. [1] That kind of behavior belongs on Reddit.

[1] https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=50886

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100% effective vaccines don't exist.

Merriam Webster's old definition excluded many vaccines ordinary people called vaccines. Diphtheria and tetanus most clearly. And other dictionaries had definitions compatible with mRNA vaccines.[1]

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=vaccine&oldid=51...