[ncallaway]

> maybe we dont want a society that is based upon threats of violence.

I'm not convinced that such a thing is possible.

Fundamentally, for such a society there has to be some kind of rule that "threats of violence" and "violence itself" are not allowed. How is such a rule enforced? If your society is unwilling to be violent in any way, under any circumstances, but someone else is willing to be violent you're going to have a bad time.