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by shwoopdiwoop 1685 days ago
Except all the outrage came from people who never lived in his buildings, and the ones who did gave it overwhelmingly great reviews.
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Are you talking about the U of Michigan graduate dorms? Those seem like a vastly different design and people have some thoughts on the whole windowless thing from COVID when they couldn't use the suite's common area.

For starters the units are much smaller and each suite of rooms has it's own little semi-public area instead of being a completely windowless block like his new design. The difference between the two is vast.

https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2021/11/03/heres-what-its-like-...

https://i.redd.it/81yfb7wkxby51.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__cfVWiAxSU

> the whole windowless thing from COVID when they couldn't use the suite's common area.

Here's a daring thought: maybe the problem isn't the windowless bedroom by itself, but the idea that it's acceptable to lock people inside their own residence, or even to forbid people to use the common areas of their own residence.

That's largely tangential from the issues with the UCSB dorm and there were complaints well before the COVID lockdowns so we shouldn't get mired in the unrelated morass of the pandemic response.
I'd like to hear more from sam0x17 (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29163439) on this topic.

I think OP has confirmation bias. Lots of armchair criticism != only armchair criticism. I've lived in plenty of buildings that don't rate a rant and yet I would never live in again. And I've had friends who've lived in worse and I was so glad when they moved so I didn't have to visit their old shithole. Are we gatekeeping complaints from visitors?

The reviews I saw all painted the lack if windows as a major negative. Something worth tolerating because of the building's central location. The residents who had to stay there during the pandemic, when communal areas were not so utilized, were even more critical, describing it as "depressing"
Rave reviews? It seems low quality paid reviews are worth every penny.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UCSantaBarbara/comments/qkmp5h/i_wa...

The building has not yet been built.
This is not his first time designing dorms: https://housing.umich.edu/residence-hall/munger/
The difference between Munger Hall [2] and the new UCSB dorm [1] is vast. For starters you go from a 7 person common room being your nearest real light to a 60-70 person common room being your nearest indoor natural light. The Michigan dorm has a fraction of the people living in it total, larger rooms and amenities that would be hard to include in the UCSB simply because there's so many more people in that doom.

You expect a quality difference between graduate apartments and undergraduate dorms but saying one is well received (with complaints about the lack of windows and lights in the bedrooms btw) so this different design must also be secretly ok is stretching things.

[1] https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2021/11/munger-hall-univer... [2] https://i.redd.it/81yfb7wkxby51.jpg

The building is apparently in the same mould as a highly-rated[1] one already in use at the University of Michigan. The people (graduate students?) who live there seem to like it more than any other campus housing option.

[1]: https://www.veryapt.com/Apartments-L7646-ann-arbor-central-c...

It is not in the same mould at all. Reposting my previous comment:

OK, I found an article with a floorplan[1]. This thing is not at all comparable to the Michigan dorms. Recall, in the Michigan dorms you have an apartment housing 7 people with a spacious, well-lit living room (6 windows, but the count isn't important.) Sure, you don't have a window in your bedroom, and that sucks, but to see the sun you just go through that one door.

But in this proposed building? Look at that insane floor plan[2]! It looks like a maze! If you're in one of those inner rooms, you exit your bedroom (no windows) into your apartment's common area (no windows), exit that to a long corridor that eventually leads to your "House's" common area, which finally has windows. But is the opposite way from the building's exit.

Yeah this thing is insane.

[1] https://www.dezeen.com/2021/11/02/architect-resigns-grotesqu... [2] https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2021/11/munger-hall-univer...

I wonder if the rendering is a lie, or there are a small number of bedrooms that have private windows in them?

I think the main mistakes here are that he made the building bilaterally symmetrical and it should instead be along four quadrants. Additionally, there should be an atrium in the center providing additional windows for the middle of the building.

That many students sharing a single TV every evening is not going to work out, and if you want a 'study space' (which is psychologically healthy and strategic), you'll have to do it in the main entertainment area or leave the building.

Each 'house' at this size should have 2 public areas, and there should probably be one house at each corner, and one at each face, rather than 4 corners and 2 on the same face.

The Munger Graduate Residences do not have a CostCo for a penthouse.
There was a similarly designed building someone linked to in a previous thread that had rave reviews pre-Covid.
There is a smaller version of it at UMich: https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2015/07/heres_your_firs...
Smaller with fewer people sharing a common space and better amenities. The differences between the two designs are vast. Also a lot of people complain about the lack of windows in the rooms but give it a positive review because of amenities. I've talked more about the differences in other comments I won't rehash.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29163183

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29163362

I wouldn’t describe “you’ll get used to lack of windows” as rave reviews. It looks suspiciously like the reviews were farmed out, the english is atrocious and the reviews are very generic.