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by quenix
1690 days ago
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Your points are clear and coherent. For what it's worth, thank you for actually analysing the evidence and not blindly falling into conspiracy or groupthink against the vaccine. While I object to some of your points, your hesitation is your right. I also appreciate the fact that you're open to taking it in the future once your questions are addressed. As someone who took both shots 6 months ago and had absolutely zero issues, if you decide to take it, I hope your journey will be the same as well! :) Edit: I just noticed something interesting. You said something about the fact that if the incidence rate was 1/1 million, it would be statistically unlikely for a couple to both get it. If the aspiration theory was true though, would this really be the case? It would be very likely that both partners got vaccinated by the same provider, perhaps even by the same person. That drastically increases the chance of aspiration not occurring for both people! Just an interesting observation about how the mathematical theory of statistics is not always immediately applicable to RW situations.:) |
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As far as I've heard/seen anecdotally about aspiration is that at least in most cases there was no aspiration. People reporting many stories where they specifically asked for aspiration to be done, and nurses very frequently said, they are not trained for that any longer. Some nurses didn't even know what it was, and some other nurse aspirated AFTER the injection. Luckily there was no blood in this case.
It would be interesting to know how many nurses will aspirate, but given what I've seen/heard, it seems like 90% or more don't. Unless again, anecdotal stories are biased and only mention it when it's not done.
If I remember correctly, the couple got vaccinated around 2 weeks apart, I don't remember if the provider was the same. But story went something like they went to the ER because of her, but he was also asked how's he feeling and I think he mentioned something about chest/shoulder pains as well, and so they both got tested at the same time and received their diagnosis on the same day.
If aspiration wasn't done just in 10% of the cases, then yeah, this could skew with data and make a couple more likely to have it if they do go get it at the same provider and person who doesn't do it.
Interestingly, there was a study 7 years ago that found out 74% of end-users aspirated,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/
I'm not sure how that compares to current circumstances 7 years later and considering there's probably a lot more activity.
EDIT: Also found this poll in Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/poll/qc1cct
This matches the idea of 90%+ did not aspirate. But very important, this is Halifax, so the percentage might vary wildly depending on the country etc.