[jokethrowaway]

ES Modules was what turned node.js into legacy for me, same as python 2/3.

Plus transpilers are so slow, it's embarrassing (albeit things are improving with tools written in rust).

As someone who's been doing frontend for 20 years and node.js for 10 years, JS development has never been so crap like now.

After attending a conference talk about how the TC39 works, I understand why that's the case. TC39 is basically a bunch of engineers from big tech companies who can afford to waste productivity to follow the whims of whatever the group decide. It's completely detached from reality.

They operate on a full consensus basis, which means everyone needs to be onboard with the decisions - and if you want your changes to be approved in the future, you'd better play nice with the current change as well.

To be honest, I can't wait until browsers get replaced with some native crossplatform toolkit or frameworks in other languages become popular so that we can finally leave JS alone.

[paufernandez]

> To be honest, I can't wait until browsers get replaced with some native crossplatform toolkit

That sounds like Flutter to me.