[nuerow]

> Realistically the risk is that everything surrounding the vaccine is and was extremely suspicious. I've never had a vaccine before where the nurse urged me to keep moving my arm for the remainder of the day.

This is the very first time I ever saw anyone make this extraordinary claim, or anything close to it. Practically everyone I know is fully vaccinated and there was absolutely no reference to any thing remotely like that. Ever. At all.

Personally, the only out of the ordinary thing I experienced was getting a leaflet with a FAQ on the vaccines. Other than this, I sat down, took the jab, got up, went to the waiting room for a bit, and afterwards went on with my daily life. Boring as hell, and happened on both jabs.

I'm really skeptical regarding your claim, to the point I doubt it ever happened. Do you happen to have any way, other than your word, to back it up?

> Realistically the clotting of the vaccines was a real issue due to the poor testing, and I'm not sure if it's still a problem because I haven't heard about it being talked about for a while.

There is nothing realistic about your claim. Entire countries have taken the vaccine and, even though there are rare cases where patients react poorly to the vaccine, the scenario you've depicted is not factual or grounded on reality.

Do you actually have anything that supports your extraordinary claim, or is this something you believe in in spite of evidence?

[perth]

Added source links to my post from links I pulled from Google Scholar. Not all are perfectly relevant but in terms of potential known but not discussed impacts I suggest [3] from February 2021 or [4] from January 2021 to have a look at which discusses the potential for heart and lung issues from the vaccine, alongside the need for booster shots, which were noted during the development before the mass deployment.

In terms of my visit, all I can really say is I got the vaccine at the Cleveland Clinic in May 2021, I don't really have any hard evidence of what happened during my visit other than my vaccination card.

Also in terms of the clotting I'm surprised you haven't heard of it? (not Google Scholar links, it's just that it's on many news sources from a quick Google search)

https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/blood-clots-covid

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02291-2

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-...

https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2021/07/bloo...

[dekhn]

The third link says 28 people had a problem after 9 million doses were administered.

If you hear that and think "the vaccine is risky", you need to adjust your risk tolerance.

I agree with the others about the nurse saying you had to move your arm. There's nothing specific about this vaccine that changes the requirement for mobility. I think you're just overly concerned.

[nuerow]

> Added source links to my post from links I pulled from Google Scholar.

Sorry, you dumped a bunch of links but none of them seem to be related to any of your claims.

Can you explain the relationship between any of your links and the points you tried to make? Because dumping a bunch of unrelated links not only does not work as a reference but also feels like something done in bad faith[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

[perth]

Sure thing. The links are summarized research btw, you can get through them all in 2 minutes each.

from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7771841/

"The challenge for modern vaccinology is to be able to provoke all the requisite steps leading to immune system activation in vivo, and to provide a non-virulent, harmless type of a given agent capable of generating a strong and adequate immune response tailored against specific viral attack (Moser and Leo, 2010). Thus, some questions arise regarding the development of the vaccine (see Table 1 for current development state of COVID-19 vaccines) that will be administered to billions of people at risk of COVID-19 infection."

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"As mentioned earlier, ACE2 is the route of SARS-CoV-2 infection. However, this receptor plays a vital role in both innate and adaptive immune responses by modulating the antigen present antigen cells that interact with T cells to initiate defense initiatives (Bernstein et al., 2018). This receptor of transmembrane protease acts in the conversion of angiotensin 1-8 (Ang II) to angiotensin 1-7 (Ang 1-7), prompting diuresis/natriuresis, preserving renal function, and attenuating cardiac and vascular reformation (Vickers et al., 2002; Santos et al., 2008; Zhang et al., 2010). ACE2 also has an important role in the nervous system, and disruption of this receptor can trigger neurological disorders (Kabbani and Olds, 2020)."

I read this as: depending on the immune response the vaccine creates, it can cause potential damage to various organ systems

from https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2021/07/bloo...

"In rare cases, antibodies that the body produces as a side effect of the vaccine lead to uncontrolled activation of platelets. This causes both low platelet counts and blood clots to form in unusual areas. VITT is not associated with the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccines. "

I read this as: the vaccines have the potential to cause clots, but this isn't proven for Pfizer and Moderna vaccines

In terms of the tissue tests in lab by Pfizer, I wasn't able to find the paper I that read on that, so I don't have hard proof of that.

[dekhn]

Sounds to me like you're not a scientist or doctor and misread the text. Most specifically, I think you're taking exceptially rare events, thinking they're ultra common.